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Italian elections, Berlusconi can win again...

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Tufio, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. Tufio

    Tufio Warlord

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    The results:

    http://elezioni.interno.it/index.html

    There's almost no hope for the left to get a majority for the senate, berlusconi will likely take it.



    The current Italian Electoral System was changed by berlusconi miself in 2005 when he knew he was gonna be the loser, you get a national vote for the Parliament but a regional one for the Senate and is not easy to get majority for both. ( search "porcellum" for details, for the senate you need to win in the single regions )

    We are gonna vote again soon.
     
  2. Leoreth

    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    I refuse to believe that even Italy can be this stupid.
     
  3. hobbsyoyo

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    This is a troubling development.

    Regardless of who is the new PM, the Italians should figure out if they want to pursue austerity or stimulus, you can't have both and switching back and forth can't be a good idea.
     
  4. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    Is Monti not running?
     
  5. ace99

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    If you re-elect him you richly deserve it.
     
  6. Tufio

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    Monti is the center coalition boss.

    He will get 10-15%...
     
  7. Yudishtira

    Yudishtira Spiritual/Creative

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    I call it "one-party democracy" ;) Most of us have it already (US, UK, Australia, Israel, etc. etc.) If you have a chance for your centre-left party to implement any left-of-centre policies, then you're luckier than most of us...:)
     
  8. Tufio

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    Oh, this is Italy.

    We don't have a real "right", we have a "berlusconi" that just use the state for personal profit.

    Tecnically speaking, berlusconi make alot of "left policies" in the sense that he raise alot of public expenses ( to give money/corruption to hiself and mafia friends ) and welfare. ( for popularity )

    And then the left make alot of "right policies" by raising taxes and cut stuff to remedy for the berlusconi madness... and then they get the heat from the people.

    Add that to a huge media domination by berlusconi and you can easy understand why he wins...

    I mean, now he is pushing for the current poverty to be the fault of the evil germans that wanted to enslave us by pupetting monti.
     
  9. LamaGT

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    If Berlusconi is re-elected again this country will obviously be royally screwed. He's trying to squeeze every last vote by making promises only stupid people would fall into, and if he ever tries to enact them the whole time with Monti in charge is going to be wasted.

    Unfortunately Monti isn't exactly great either - Italy has had one of the smallest GDP growths of all developed countries these years, and austerity isn't going to magically heal it. Squeezing every last Euro from the already poor Italians is going to hurt the country a lot.
    I'm not really well informed but it seems that Bersani isn't that well liked, although in my opinion his party offers the best compromise of the other two.
     
  10. GoodSarmatian

    GoodSarmatian Jokerfied Western Male

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    So you do have a real right.
     
  11. Leoreth

    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    If it was only about that, Europe wouldn't need to worry. Berlusconi isn't about austerity or stimulus, he's all about populism to get into office so he can continue to ignore both his country's problems and all the lawsuits filed against him.

    His election as PM could very well suffice to destroy all the trust in the Eurozone that has been arduously built up since summer.
     
  12. innonimatu

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    Says a lot about the eurozone, that does.
     
  13. zjl56

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    Considering how much a tiny country like Greece has been able to shake the foundation of the Eurozone.. good luck getting Germany, France, Netherlands and the rest to rescue Italy.
     
  14. Terxpahseyton

    Terxpahseyton Deity

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    Or it isn't - but it requires a free media to operate.
    What is not nearly often enough pointed out - Berlusconi more or less owns the private TV market. He can more or less dictate public debate at will. This is a HUGE power in a democracy controlled by the media - as it is the case on all our democracies. The role of the media is incredible crucial. He who controls the media controls everything. And he who controls large junks of it potentially controls large junks of everything. That is not so much about the stupidity of people as such. It is about people trusting in the media. Which really most people do in all nations. And whatever choice do you have left if you care to use your little free time as an employed for other things than getting caught up in ungratifying political issues?
     
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    Sure. Most of it, at this point, is still smoke and mirrors.
     
  16. Tufio

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    Today berlusconi promised a total fiscal condonation... ( in the wake of the postponed legal process about his underage prostitutes )
     
  17. Josu

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    That was what I thought about the USA in 2004, and well, I guess you know the history
     
  18. Samson

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    I had to look up this word (see below), but I am still unsure what you mean. It seems to be implying that something is forgiven. Is that bad credit rating (not sure what the government could do about that), actual personal debt (sounds like collapse of the economy) or government debt (sounds like default and collapse of the euro).

    Probably none of these, but I am interested to know.

    Spoiler :
    The act of condoning, especially the implied forgiveness of an offense by ignoring it.
    Condonance may be made when an accuser has previously forgiven or condoned (in some way or at some level supported) the act about which they are complaining. In some legal jurisdictions, and for certain behaviors, it may prevent the accuser from prevailing.
     
  19. dutchfire

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    If they elect him, kick them out of the EU and lock the borders.
     
  20. Tufio

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    Oh sorry, maybe this is something only berlusconi and few others do often. ( you have english for that? )

    Is mostly about a forgiving of tax evasion if you pay 5-10% of it right away. ( on national scale )

    Ah, berlusconi today adopted a puppy.

     

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