Italians:did u know that right?

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There's a general strike in Italy because Berlusconi's govt tries to change the article 18 on the workers'status.(don't ask me what that article is about).
In italy there r many demonstrations against Berlusconi n its govt.
But there is a legal solution to abort unpopular laws:the referendum.
By RECOLTING 500,000 signatures of electers or on the request of 5 general councils a referendum must be held.
however,that right is only avaible for referendum aborting a law n it mustn't touch diplomacy or finance.
 
I belive, in short terms, that article 18 makes it harder for companies to sack people without reason. And now the government wants to make it easier.

In italy alone there where 2 million people demonstrating today. There are demonstrations all over Europe, including Sweden, in support for the Italian general strike.

You have my support too :)
 
Well, sometimes it is good to be able to fire people without extraordinary reasons. Take for example the BC teacher's association. It's a huge union on the government payroll, and it is practically impossible to get a teacher fired. So when a teacher turns out to be grossly incompetent, the worst that can happen is the government assigns them a useless task to get them out of the classroom... but they're still on the payroll.
 
U GUYS ARE FREAKIN AROUND!
now,i'm gonna tell a case where people were fired to cut costs.
in my home region(normandy);workers of 5 factories Moulinex(u know the blenders etc) did a strike on June;Moulinex moved the production to Turkey in a few weeks.
The direction said "u can take holidays;come back in September"
The employees came back in September,the grids were closed n they were said that there's no money on that production place n that's the reason why they were fired".but that firm does millions of benefits every year.
Doesn't it abort the strike right?
are we gonna become secondary markets.
EUROPE N NORTHERN AMERICA represent 600 million consumers...
south-eastern asia 3 billion.
THIS IS COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL.
NORMALLY, every one should work in cooperatives.
U know what are cooperatives?
Companies in which members give the money they want n the benefits are equally redistributed.
In Zurich those companies represent 20% of the logding market and the prices are a lot lower.
Globalisation is completely illogical.
Economy should be led the people.
We don't have all the cards;all the power.We're used to be ****ed.
In France,in 1789, 4 persons on 5 were peasants.Peasants can revolt easily;6 months on 12 lands are frozen and a few weeks of strike do not affect their wages.
When u're a worker,it's already harder to do a strike...U're held by a monthly wage,a monthly rent etc.IF u do a strike ur not paid.
if u work for the third sector it's even harder;unions are weaker due to the concurence n there r more little jobs.
Mai 68( a social revolt in france) lasted 3 weeks because people got nothing in the fridge anymore;because there was no oil anymore etc.Imagine if in 1789 the revolt would have lasted 3 weeks because of that...french people would probably be under a king.
Now,we are in a post-industrial society,the credits and the rents keep holding you.When the industrial sector was the most important,northern france n northern italy were industrial n the southern regions were country-like;their interests were put in competiton in the parliament(the only one in centralised countries)
ARE there gonna be "feeding countries","working countries" n "selling countries".
The problem with globalisation is there's no control;no counter-power.It's only beneficial to a minority.
I'm for europe,not that europe but people's europe.When it's about taking money it's all about the european union n brussel but whenit's for democratisation,the national constitution is called.
Let's unite instead staying in that hybrid situation.I want an europe based on the swiss system(federal;anti-nationalist and where the citizens represent a counter-power).
 
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"Is "we need to cut costs" a good enough reason? "

"I don't know of any business that fires people for 'no reason' "
"Is what you mean "through no fault of their own"?"


There are a lot of companies who take on workers offering quite modest pay; but reasonable or good job security. They may be bought up by predators. The new management says let us:

a) Sack 20% of the employees
b) Make the 80% remaining work 25% harder
c) Money saved not paying 20% sacked workers
can be used to double the directors pay.

That is a reason. IMHO it is not "a good reason".
 
Originally posted by EdwardTking

a) Sack 20% of the employees
b) Make the 80% remaining work 25% harder
c) Money saved not paying 20% sacked workers
can be used to double the directors pay.

That is a reason. IMHO it is not "a good reason".
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And if the company is not turning a profit... if a company goes out of business because they're not making money, 100% of the workers loose their jobs, no?
And usually, a company that is laying of workers is cutting back on production as well. Ya know, supply & demand... there is too much supply, that drives the prices down, they need to reign in so the business can be profitable.
If you're cutting production to meet changing demands, it makes more sense to lay off workers than to pay them for dormancy, right?
 
More simplistic analysis...Tsk.

Huzzah for the right to sack! Down with the evil communist strikers!
Burn them! Burn them all!!

:D

Such anatagonistic relations between business and workers are eminently unsuitable to the proper progress of society. It is far better when they work together, without unions controlled by ulterior socialist motives, for the greater glory of the State and the People.
 
Berlusconi has worst reputation in Europe currently...
That's because he has numerous corruption charges around him, and
he has promoted himself to a numerous minister-places.

What comes to this subject, it seems to me that Labour Union is trying
to show the bigness to it's d!ck (read: Showing who rules the country).

If I knew what is the usual law in Europe, I would have an opinion,
but since I don't, I'll just stick in with flaming against Italy.

(In english = What is the subject-law in EU Area?
 
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