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It's Election Season in Canada(?)

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Babbler, Mar 23, 2011.

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Who would you vote for?

  1. Canadian - Conservative Party

    9.6%
  2. Canadian - Liberal Party

    16.0%
  3. Canadian - Bloc Quebecois

    1.1%
  4. Canadian - New Democratic Party

    11.7%
  5. Canadian - Green Party

    9.6%
  6. Canadian - Other Party/Independent

    1.1%
  7. Non-Canadian - Conservative Party

    11.7%
  8. Non-Canadian - Liberal Party

    7.4%
  9. Non-Canadian - Bloc Quebecois

    8.5%
  10. Non-Canadian - New Democratic Party

    9.6%
  11. Non-Canadian - Green Party

    7.4%
  12. Non-Canadian - Other Party/Independent

    6.4%
  1. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    Signage is not really a good way to gauge the vote. I've often seen results very different from what signs would indicate.
     
  2. SuperBeaverInc.

    SuperBeaverInc. Groucho

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    Signage is a good gauge in Calgary, as Conservatives usually outnumber all the other parties combined. :p
     
  3. Evie

    Evie Pronounced like Eevee

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    In calgary, sunrise is a good gauge. If the sun rise, the conservatives will win :p
     
  4. SuperBeaverInc.

    SuperBeaverInc. Groucho

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    And if the sun happens to be Conservative, it will get itself elected
     
  5. Evie

    Evie Pronounced like Eevee

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    I dunno. That Sun guy provides free energy and heat. He's probably a threat to the tar sands. :p
     
  6. SuperBeaverInc.

    SuperBeaverInc. Groucho

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    And it comes from the east, like those evil librulz
     
  7. Puck Nutty

    Puck Nutty Prince

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    I'm in a bit of a frustrating situation. On the one hand, the NDP are going to win this riding going away, but that means the Libs have no shot at taking it.

    So basically, even if I vote Lib in hopes of voting strategically, it won't make a damn bit of difference.

    It seems that the only question left unanswered is whether or not the Cons will get a majority.
     
  8. Zelig

    Zelig Beep Boop

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    Strategic voting is dumb.

    There should be a polling blackout period from the date the election is announced, along with preferential voting.
     
  9. emzie

    emzie wicked witch of the North

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    Strategic voting is dumb only when compared to preferential voting. In a FPTP system like we have, it's in no way dumb, not when your candidate can't win a riding.
     
  10. sysyphus

    sysyphus So they tell me

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    If the goal is ultimately to kick the Tories out, or at least limit them to a minority, then the strategic option is to vote for the candidate that is most likely to defeat the Tory candidate in your riding, and in many ridings that is not the Liberals.

    If you're like me and live in a riding that the Tories have no chance at taking then you have the luxury of voting with your heart.

    Of course, I still don't like strategic voting, it only results in a complacent status quo.

    Which is why I strongly favour preferential voting.
     
  11. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    If one party is going to run away with the vote, strategic voting doesn't really make any difference, regardless of your ethical opinion of it. Just vote your conscience and give your vote subsidy to whomever you like best.
     
  12. Evie

    Evie Pronounced like Eevee

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    (And hope the Tories don't get a majority, since then no subsidies for anyone).
     
  13. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    Indeed. God I hope they don't win.
     
  14. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    I really waffle on the voting subsidy.
    The power of donations is pretty strong, since the subsidy is so low. As well, since we limit corporate donation (I think) and limit personal donations (I think), the total pot has an upper limit.

    There're some parties, too, that seem to really rely on the subsidy. The Bloc, iirc, would be decimated by losing the subsidy.
     
  15. Zelig

    Zelig Beep Boop

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    No corporate donations allowed anymore.

    I'm not really sure what to think about the voting subsidy either.
     
  16. Puck Nutty

    Puck Nutty Prince

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    This is a small consolation, I guess. Olivia Chow will win with room to spare, I'll probably end up voting Green, and I get to spend the rest of the night hoping for a Tory minority.
     
  17. Evie

    Evie Pronounced like Eevee

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    Basically there are three parties, possibly four, that work largely on the subsidy, and one that doesn't.

    Which is why I support the subsidy. It's not a money-saving gesture to remove it, it's a naked power-grab, that might (at the very best) end up setting up a US-like two-party system.

    In other news, Duceppe is now encouraging Quebecers to "vote usefully" (as in "We can protect Quebec from the conservatives, not the NDP). Here's hoping people take him seriously, but realize that voting usefully imply voting for a genuine federal party.
     
  18. Rub'Rum

    Rub'Rum Hates acronyms

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  19. Kerozine

    Kerozine Deity

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    I'm all for doing away with the vote subsidies just because it would eliminate the whole "give your $2 vote-subsidy" reason for voting (vote to have your say and make your riding more competitive FFS) AND ending the political party donation tax credit to eliminate an unnecessary incentive and unfair advantage for higher income voters.

    Spoiler :
     
  20. Evie

    Evie Pronounced like Eevee

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    "Vote to make your riding more competitive" is only an option if you don't live in one of the throngs of ridings which always vote in landslies for this or that party. Which lots of people are.

    For people who do live in those ridings, abolishign the voting subsidies amount to telling them "Hey, you know what? Stay home on elections day. Your opinion doesn't matter."

    Tell you what, we get semi-proportional representation instead of first past the post and we can abolish subsidies.
     

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