Discussion in 'Civ3 - Succession Games' started by jarred!, Apr 25, 2019.
I'm about 5 turns in (started on Sunday). I could do an early handoff if you're eager to play.
Go ahead an finish your set, I was just checking in.
We have LOTS of territory and a HUGE number of cities. Our military is quite a bit smaller than I would have expected. Battle losses must have been brutal
Why did we ever settle new Teo?!? It's a completely pointless city.
IBT: Units whip by faster than I can see. WTF is Animate Battles turned off? I don't have a clue what just happened.
Cattletown deposes us, taking 2 units with it
Looks like we lost some units near Delhi.
Retake Cattletown with 2 Cannon and a Cav.
Ping a Byz ship W of the capital
A bunch of ships are on automove! Please don't do this in a succession game. It makes it really hard to pick up on the next turn.
Lose a Privateer sinking an Indian ship near Cattletown
And...end of turn? No, I don't believe it. I go looking for units to wake up.
Army lands at Arnhem and captures a stack of cannons. The ones that we lost in an earlier turnset, I take it?
Byz suicides a Cav on the army at Delhi.
They also land a Crusader on the little island. Wowza.
Cannons redline, and eMDI kills the Crusader. Leader time!
Ship and cannons bombard, then Sword army drops to 9/14 killing the top defender in Arnhem
Byz lands another Cav on small island.
Delhi riots Sloppy of me.
Cannons ping and cav kills the invader cav.
At Arnhem, cannons and ship redline the musket...
Cav army rides down the musket and kills the LB there for good measure. The city is now in our hands.
Dutch want to talk. We ignore them.
Byz cav retreats from one of our Muskets
A second one kills it.
Arnhem riots (resistance ends)
Privateer attacks on enemy Galleons go 1/1
Cav kills enemy stray Cav (and then gets covered by an Army)
Dutch move a HUGE stack into The Hague, where we just landed.
Someone (Byz?) loses a Frigate to one of our patrolling Privateers
Byz loses a Cav at Delhi. I was nervous there for a second...
Byz also lands a Cav next to Lahore.
Arnhem deposes us
We retake Arnhem with 1 Cannon, 1 Frigate, and 1 Swordsman. 7 resisters
I see the first Byz Rifleman!
Kill a redlined Byz cav near Delhi
Lose a Cav killing a second one
Kill a third easily
Last stray cav near Lahore falls to a Knight army
Lots of movement, no action.
Lose a Privateer harrying the Byz coast
Army goes down to 14/17 killing that first Rifle.
Sword army kills Dutch Musket.
Byz cavs attack Delhi: One kills the Musket, one suicides vs. the top 3/4 Cav.
Army kills LB near Delhi
Knight/cav army kills 2 Cavs near Delhi
Cav kills stray Cav
eCav kills stray Cav
More troop movements. Byz are headed for Delhi, but they can't reach it this turn.
Kill the Byz cav near Delhi
India lands a settler pair on Small Island.
Move troops into place, but I don't kill the Indian settler pair.
Bombard and kill 1 defender in The Hague.
Byz attacks Lahore via a sneaky path! They retreat.
Byz also lands a Cav on Cattletown island.
India builds Kolhapur near the north end of the island.
eCav rides down redlined Cav from last turn.
We redline a Musket near The Hague and kill it.
Settle the town of Ironhill near the Indian new town.
Bombard...but then narrowly lose a Privateer to a Dutch Galleon.
Army kills Rifle
rCav kills LB
Second Privateer sinks vs. a Byz Galleon
I didn't make much forward progress, instead preferring to build up forces at our foothold. One Army can cover the advance of a big stack of Cavs and take Calcutta in a couple of turns. More Muskets are in the pipeline to help defend new conquests.
Watch for more landings on Cattletown island -- and take Kolhapur when appropriate. It's probably worth rushing a couple more units on that island.
The Dutch front is kind of rough. We can smack down anything that pops up next to us, but we don't have enough attack units to keep forward momentum. It will take another couple of ships dropping off troops before we can make a serious dent there.
I switched basically ALL of our builds to military. At this stage, more cavs -- even reg. cavs -- will bring us victory more quickly than Privateers. Byz ships haven't been bothering our Galleons.
I'll be able to take a look at the save tonight. Reads like we're doing well!
Ok, the plan is pretty straight forward. I'll try to keep the kill/death ratio high and grab some more territory. I should be able to play over the next few nights.
Good luck. You can use the Armies for cover, but Cavs vs. Rifles will be bloody. More Cannons in Byz-land would help.
Do we still have some/all of those 6(?) Cannon on the western Dutch islands (Maastricht/Arnhem), that I shipped over on my set? And the Galleons they arrived in (and the Frigate that escorted the Galleons)?
Because if so, and if we can't make any further headway in Holland without reinforcements anyway, then it seems kind of pointless to leave all the guns (and ships) there, if they're needed more over in Byzantium/ former Ottomania (which is presumably where we're going next?).
So can we safely ship those Cannons over? Galleons would easily be able to keep up with the M=3-4 Army(s)+Cav-stack as it goes overland, and — so long as the stack isn't on an Impassable-to-Wheeled terrain (e.g. Mountains) — drop off the Cannons into the stack once it arrives outside the next (coastal) target-town.
Next turn the Cannons (and any escorting Frigates) can bombard the town, and the Army(s) and Cavs can (try and) capture it (though the healthiest Army should return/ remain outside the town to guard the fired guns). At the beginning of the turn after that, the guns could be moved into the newly captured town, loaded back on board their ship(s), and sailed along to the next target.
Sure, that would mean that our advance would be restricted to coastal towns, and slower than if we were relying solely on Cav-assaults — but it should also save us a few HP on each of those assaults, so we wouldn't need to rush/ship as many reinforcements over from the core...
Yes; they're outside The Hague as of my turnset. We could load them up and ship them north. Maybe to Bursa? And our Cav+Army stack could head south to meet there...and then push back north towards Calcutta.
And capturing the coastal cities might be all that we need for territory, as long as they don't start flipping.
Currently playing turn 5. Nabbed my first Indian city this turn, and also landed the Dutch cannons next to Bursa where our cav stack is stationed, so they'll attack next turn. I have some units fogbusting byz territory too. The stack at Bursa should be big enough to not need to be reinforced, and troops can be funneled north towards the byz core. Landings on the outer islands have been light, generally just a byz cav and a rifle, but almost every turn.
Also, good job Elephantium! We are getting close to the end.
The End is Nigh
Turn 0, 1500AD:
LBM attacks our army from The Hague, and loses
Byz cav retreats at Delhi, and byz move some more troops into the area
Turn 1, 1505AD:
We need 3 galleons to ship the army and 5 cannons from The Hague to Bursa/Byz island, but only have 1 empty galleon in the area
Kill 3 byz cavs and a rifle at delhi
destroy some byz boats
Raze kolpur (cattletown island), I thought there was another defender. We'll have a replacement settler there in a few turns
Defend against a byz cav at delhi
Tons of byz boats movements, they land a cav and rifle at Tequixquiac
Turn 2, 1510AD:
Defeat the byz units at Tequix
Sink some Byz boats
Byz ship movements
Turn 3, 1515AD:
Naval battles and troop movements (we lose a privateer)
byz ship movevments
Turn 4, 1520AD:
We lose a frigate and privateer attacking byz galleons at cattletown island
Defeat 3 rifles with an army at Istanbul
Lose 2 cavs to Byz cavs
Byz land 2 units north of Coatepec (cattletown island)
lose musket to Indian LBM
Turn 5, 1525AD:
Defeat Byz landees
found new teo where I razed Kolpur. It seems to be in a nice place for grabbing territory.
cannons land at Bursa, siege begins next turn
Siege of Madras:
Defeat 2 muskets with an army
kill WE with vcav, capture the city
madras is size 6 with 6 resistors, no slaves
defeat byz cav with cav at istanbul
byz cav defeats cav at madras
byz land cav on cattletown island
maastricht flips. we lose a pike. an army is adjacent to the city, though
Turn 6, 1530AD:
defeat indian musket outside of delhis borders
defeat the landed byz cav
10 cavs reach Naissus
Siege of Bursa:
5 cannons bombard, only one hits, revealing at least 2 rifles
2 cavs die, one retreats, and we take the city
Bursa is size 6 with 6 resistors. I fill it with units
defeat 2 byz cavs at bursa
defeat 2 byz cavs at naissus
byz cav defeats lone defender at madras and takes the town
byz land a cav at lahore
Turn 7, 1535AD:
defeat indian lbm outside of Delhi
defeat landed byz cav
recapture madras, it's now size 2
Siege of Naissus:
I only have cavs, 3 die in the assault, but we take the city
Naissus is size 5 with 4 resistors
win, and then lose a cav to byz cavs outside of calcutta
lose to a byz cav at naissus
defeat an indian LBM outside of calcutta
Turn 8, 1540AD:
Siege of Istanbul:
Cannons injure 2 rifles, revealing a third, conscript rifle
Army takes out Army takes out 3 rifles, revealing an injured rifle
ecav takes out last rifle (no leader), and we take the city!
Istanbul is size 7 with 6 resistors (JS Bach's Cathedral)
A small stack including an army arrives outside of uskadar
Byz land 2 cavs outside of istanbul
vmusket defends against 2 byz cavs outside of Delhi, earning a promotion to elite
Turn 9, 1545AD:
defeat wandering indian LBM near lahore
defeat the 2 landed cavs at istanbul
Siege of Uskadar:
Army attacks and defeats defending rifle, but gets yellow-lined, and heads back to lahore
Rest of stack moves to join the rest of the cav stack at istanbul
dutch land musket+LBM at Bursa
byz land 2 cavs at Istanbul
byz cavs destroy a stack of 3 cavs in byz terr., we earn a victory on defense
defeat indian LBM outside of delhi
Naissus flips (no units lost)
Turn 10, 1550AD:
defeat the dutch at Bursa with an ecav (no leader) and an army
defeat the byz cavs at Istanbul, losing 1 cav in the process
retake naissus with a nearby army
I left some units with movement: two stacks of workers on our home island, a stack of cavs at Sardica (Byzantine), a musket/settler pair north of Delhi, a small musket/cav stack in Lahore, units to be shipped at Teo, loaded galleons at Istanbul (7 cannon/3 cav).
I shipped two loads of units last turn, and another load this turn, so the ship chain is out-of-phase. With the galleons we have there it could handle one lead per turn.
Once we started taking Byzantine cities, their landings on our outer islands stopped. They have a huge navy however, and have still been landing cavs near captured cities.
I swapped some builds to cannons, and we have some cannons that can be shipped (from, say, Ica island). Our cavs are experiencing losses vs rifles fortified in cities, and our only cannon stack is with the units at Istanbul.
We have a settler north of Delhi (mentioned earlier), and I haven't known where to place the town. Building (approx.) where they are now would give us access to furs. I'm not sure if we want to go for cultural expansions in new territory or focus on building more towns (ie do new captures build temples or settlers)?
GLHF! The question is not if, but how fast!
I'll try to grab tiles and take a few more towns to win this thing - we're down to 108 tiles needed.
Well, it was a fun game. Thanks, everyone.
Turn 0: rush temples and settlers where they're needed on our lands. Build town north of Delhi. Move units toward front. Pillage by Sardica. 100 tiles to go.
Dutch lose a frigate attacking our privateer. Byzantines lose a cavalry attacking ours, lots of Byzantine boat movement. Our cav retreats from an Indian longbow.
Turn 1, 1555:
Move settlers to their spots. Bomb and take Edrine, losing 3 cavs. Move on Uskudar. 77 tiles to go.
Dutch land on mainland and by Bursa. Two Byz longbows die attacking a cav and a MDI. Byz cav takes Naissus, which we had moved our cav army out of because of the flip risk. Byz land by Bursa.
Turn 2, 1560:
Take out Dutch landing on mainland – 2 muskets, 2 longbows. No losses, both regular cavs promote.
Take out Byz. Landing and Dutch landing by Bursa – 4 cav, 2 muskets, 2 longbows. Lose 2 cavalry.
Bomb Uskudar, take it with no losses, collect 2 cannons and a worker.
Retake Naissus, killing 2 cavs with no losses.
Armies kill rifle at Sardica, musket at Calcutta.
45 tiles to go.
Boats move. Indian longbow dies to cav.
Turn 3, 1565:
Take Sardica, losing knight army. Take Calcutta with no losses.
23 tiles to go.
Boat movement. Byz longbow dies, cav retreats from cannon stack.
Turn 4, 1570:
Move + settle, 5 tiles to go, we may get them from cultural expansion. If not, I've disbanded some boats and cavalry to rush settlers in resisting towns.
IBT: 2 cavs land, we win.
1570 is the save right before winning.
Awesome game! Anyone up for number 3?
Bloomin' 'eck, that were reet quick!
What did you have in mind?
I'm in, and I'm open to most any type of game.
Well done team Jarred!
I'm going to have to go into Lurk mode, but will be following your game(s).
Many thanks for having me on the team.
Thanks for playing!
We've played a cultural game, a military game, maybe a science game next?
Small, pangaea... We play as a non-scientific civ vs non-scientific AI?
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