Was this a guess? Because the sea-routes (that we can see) are still too long (and Oceanic) for the Ottos/ Germans/ Byzzies to have risked sending Galleys to meet each other yet, and it also doesn't seem very likely that there are any shorter crossings to/from the northern/ western coast of Ottomania (OK, we haven't explored it yet, but we can't see any Sea beyond the Ocean from the eastern coast of our continent). No-one's built the GLight yet, either (though Alex is going for it). It seems more likely (to me) that Dora learned Construction first on our Continent, and then either sold it to Cathy, or her learning it made it cheap enough that Cathy could finish it quickly. Because even if Bismarck was researching it as well, he certainly has crappier land (and hence a less well-developed nation/economy) than both Dora and Cathy do. Fair point (That was before Cathy interfered with my dotmap, though! With a town on Site2, we wouldn't have needed any Culture in Leira to grab all the Grass) All good ideas, have done so. Alex gave us (nearly) all his gold (397g at handover) for Construction (he would also have paid that for Lit, but I'd rather sell the more well-known tech -- and you never know, someone might do Currency for us while we're doing Republic). Would really like to buy some Spices from him too (for GPT), to keep him friendly and drop our LUX%. But for some reason the pRNG has only given him one source... (I gottit, just FTR!) Clowning the 7th citz in Lisbon is enough in itself to reduce the growth-speed to more manageable levels. Lisbon still needs the Cow for at least 1T to keep the Lib-build at 3T (9 SPT for 25 shields in total), but I was thinking to move Lisbon's citz to the Horse-Hill (for slightly more CPT) and give the Cow to Evora, because it can then use that FPT+SPT more efficiently than Lisbon would. Commandeering Luxes looks like it may be problematic, though: a Large map with 9 Civs, but only 8 Lux-resources, means they're going to be spread thin. Apart from our (and Alex's) Wines, and Alex's single Spice-tile (under Delphi), no-one else on our continent seems to have any other Luxes even hooked yet! The Ottos and Babs (of course) have a glut (Furs, Silks, Incense), but we can't get those until we've learned Navi/Magnets. (Even though Navi's an optional tech, since we can get it much earlier than Magnets, and it would allow us to import some/all of those Luxes in exchange for our Wines, it might actually be worth going for it ourselves -- even though this is contrary to SOP for a science game. Or at least, ensuring that someone -- maybe Dora? -- can research it quickly for us, by feeding them Astro as soon as we get it).