Well, there is a reason it's call the CivFanaticsCenter! Myself, I'm just glad it's been 'confirmed.' I'm more than happy to wait at least two years for it. I still haven't played Conquests yet. Seeing has how I've been playing PTW since it's been released (with the odd sabatical) I have plenty to occupy myself until C4 is released. Hey, there's a thought. . . C4 is pretty explosive. . .I wonder if that means Civ4 will be explosive too!