Joe Wilson, great American hero ?

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  1. Holycannoli

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    All of that says nothing about enforcement. That's just a summary of sections. Go show me where enforcement was included, before they had to go back and actually include it. It's in there now, it wasn't before.

    Or do you not believe that they went back and altered the bill to include enforcement and close some of those loopholes?

    You mean not policing illegals getting health care (well they're policing them now, after they added it to the bill). They purposely left enforcement out of the bill. Not even mistakenly left it out; they were told to put it in because it wasn't there and they said "no". Why say "no" to enforcement?

    There are politicians who actually want to change the law to allow illegals to get drivers licenses. I don't know what part of "illegal" they don't understand. You shouldn't get anything but a bus trip across the border if you're illegal. It sucks, but right now that's how it has to be.
     
  2. Maxxie

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    Even in the English system, if you aren't a citizen then you get emergency health care but you are then billed for it. That is probably the only thing that can be compared between the NHS and the reform in the U.S., and it kind of shoots down your implied argument that tax payers will be made to pay for any extra treatment for "illegals". Everyone is entitled to emergency care under any circumstances and no reform can change that. Its just part of being a civilized nation.
     
  3. kulade

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    And after that, show him were it says the enforcement will be enforced! :mad:

    damn libruls
     
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    They must have haxed into my PC and replaced my copy of the document.
    Not to mention the "hardcopies" that the congress and press got hold. They must have ninja'ed them back and replace with all new copies so they could clamin there were enforcement clauses all along.



     
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    looks like someone is mixing up citizenship and residency:crazyeye:
     
  6. Cutlass

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    Immigration law enforcement should be part of an immigration overhaul. Not a health overhaul. If you're going to demand it be done, try demanding it be done right.
     
  7. JollyRoger

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    So are conservatives saying we need some sort of national id card or chip implant? Or do they want us to carry around our long form birth certificates just in case we need emergency care?
     
  8. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    The latter.
     
  9. Hsinchu

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    Hey, getting a bill for my medical care... sounds like the plan I have now, but I'm still worried about losing my job because my employer can't afford to match for all his employees....


    However, in regard to illegals: In the United States illegal immigrants getting services is not always a problem. It is most typically a problem when said illegals scurry back over across the border and cannot be tracked to be billed. Extradition for accounts receivable is... not enforceable. Hence, tax burden on those of us left behind... with jobs that actually pay taxes as opposed to those working for cash to stay below the poverty line to continue receiving services.
     
  10. Hsinchu

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    A driver's license or regular DMV id card seems sufficient if the picture and stats match the person. If you are out without ID, what the heck? You don't need a "national" id card since every(?) state already has identification systems in place.
     
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    An illegal immigrant can easily obtain either of these.
     
  12. Hsinchu

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    Yes, and in the state of California, the former constitutes fraud since I believe the motion to approve illegal immigrant DLs was voted down.

    The latter, however, implies registration. If you are in a database, they can tell you if you are covered or not. They can also bill your listed address... and flag you if you don't pay.

    of course nothing is counterfeit proof =P
     
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    Someone shoots you and takes your wallet with your id.....
     
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    I'm shot!

    I am sad.:sad:
     
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    That those who pay for hospital visits, etc. pay for those who don't is a fact in the existing system. Because a civilized nation can not refuse emergency treatment to anyone that happens and can't be changed in the reform either. Look into the financial details of the bill, as much as your employer is paying for any existing corrupt private insurance schemes will be lowered, and curbing the institutional overcharging of insurance will lower premiums further. That produces a lesser burden on the economy than the corrupt private schemes, not more. Increased coverage and care improves worker performance and boosts the power of the economy. After all, can you work as effectively when you have an untreated illness as when you are in full health? All companies should be championing this as a way to improve worker attendance at a small cost and in that way make more money.
     
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    LOL my side, returned servicemen spitting, nope did not happen.
    Hmm, supporting the troops, waving signs etc, some advice, want to support the troops, join them.
    So should people vote for the chickenhawk Wilson or that Iraqi veteran Miller ?
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Wilson_(U.S._politician)

    What's with the spamming "chickenhawk"? I mean, I think the word is funny too but c'mon. The guy served an infantry brigade for 30 years and retired as a Colonel; that's a pretty distinguished service record. Heck, he was serving during the Afghan war.
     
  18. FriendlyFire

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  19. JerichoHill

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    What they're getting at is that he was never in the front lines of any war. Which is a silly criticism since he's a legal dude in the first place so he's more admin than anything. Look, the guy's actions were detestable and rude enough, it devalues the argument and criticism against him for detractors to call him a chickenhawk. That's a lie right there.

    Sigh.
     

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