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Jon Shafer leaves Firaxis!

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Windsor, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. attackfighter

    attackfighter Emperor

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    Here is what I think happened: Jon knew his game needed more time to be worked on, but other people on Firaxis (probably marketing) pushed the game out anyways, despite his protests. So now there is a fairly unpolished game and Jon was disgruntled because he's taking the blame even though it wasn't really his fault, so he quit in anger.
     
  2. Horizons

    Horizons Needing fed again!

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    Soren quit before BTS was released, don't forget :p


    PS I also think this heralds the end of Civ5 ... which will be remembered as the 'Windows Vista' of the series ... expect a 'Windows 7'-style improved Civ6 within a year or two.
     
  3. jpinard

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    I think it's fairly obvious this is why the last patch took so long and we didn't have interim fixes. They knew he was moving on and needed to get as much done as they could while he was still on-board.

    Designing these types of games has got to be extremely stressful, so maybe we'll find out he's going to work for another company like Zynga for a change of pace.
     
  4. lschnarch

    lschnarch Emperor

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    The signs were already at the wall (October, 11th):
    Anyway, he is gone and history now.
    This is a chance that the franchise may come back to Civilization games.
     
  5. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    What's the last good game that Sid Meier made? I don't recall Civ Rev getting a great reception here.
     
  6. da_Vinci

    da_Vinci Gypsy Prince

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    Maybe the failure of Civ V is not in the actual sales (although did it meet the infamous "projections"?), but in a failure to retain the goodwill of the fanbase and the presumptive supremacy of the franchise? The high marks in initial reviews were in part reputational, and even before the first game was played, Civ V was probably expected to be a contender for game of the year (presumptive supremacy).

    If that presumptive supremacy has evaporated as a result of Civ V, that is a serious business loss. Who will pre-order Civ VI? Who will buy it before a playable demo is released? Civ VI enters the "fool me twice, shame on me" realm. Not the position any business covets for its product.

    I don't see a problem with casual versions of Civ that are separate from the "hard core strategy" version of Civ. So I have no problem with Rev or Facebook Civ.

    Except that the sun is shining today (at least where I am ... ) :lol:

    Actually, the Shafer departure must be due to the first lunar eclipse on the winter solstice since 1638!

    dV
     
  7. elthrasher

    elthrasher Revcaster

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    If Civ6 comes out in a year, I think those who felt Civ5 was shallow and unfinished will need thesauri to differentiate the two games.
     
  8. fantsu

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    I hope this is the last Civ game for PC.
    You don't even know how much downhill things can go with videogame sequels.
    CiV will leave at least some dignity to the series.
     
  9. lschnarch

    lschnarch Emperor

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    Very true.
    Trust and confidence into Firaxis have been ruined, may it have been partially 2K's fault due to early release or solely Mr. Shafer's "vision".
     
  10. bryanw1995

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    it's funny, I played cIV for literally years including expansions but had mostly put it down other than the occasional game of final frontier until civ rev came out for my iphone. rev isn't that great but for a phone it is awesome. I spend 2/3 + of my waking life at work but have quite a bit of down time. I can't play "video games" per se, so something light on a phone was perfect. I suspect that the FB civ will be similar. both of those "light" versions will make people aware enough of the franchise that they will at least consider other civ offerings. ciV has tried too hard to cater to the hardcore civfanatics (tm) AND the civrev/FB crowd. I suspect that in the future they'll still have those light versions but keep the main pc civ game complicated enough to keep the loyal fan base happy.
     
  11. Rohili

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    I doubt Shafer leaving has anything to do with Civ V's quality. As others have pointed out, Soren Johnson also left Firaxis after finishing his work on Civ IV.

    It seems like a typical business decision to me - once the game is released and major patches are done, why continue paying the lead designer? You don't need him any more, so just let him go. Fresh blood will be brought in to handle future expansions and sequels - that has always been the modus operandi of Firaxis with respect to the Civ games.

    So, I think you guys are reading way too much into this.
     
  12. Dale

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    According to T2's recent financials, Civ5 has just hit the million sale mark.

    Factor in DLC and the inflated special editions, 2K Games has probably netted around $30 million USD in revenue.

    For this type of game, 1 million sales is exceptional. Yes, they would've hit the projections.
     
  13. el_hidalgo

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    Could not the same have been said of III? I'm not sure what the general critics' consensus on it was, or whether it met sales expectations, but I could never really get into it--though I did buy it and all the expansions. Still, Civ retained enough allure that I immediately bought IV when it came out. And even though I loved IV (and still do) I didn't buy V right away (and now I'm glad I didn't).

    Also, I wonder if maybe they don't really care about the fan base (i.e., us). Maybe CiV is the result of a deliberate strategy was to pursue casual/console players, who are of course a much larger market than us. Maybe they are not as concerned with our goodwill as the goodwill of CivRev players who might also buy the PC version. Obviously they would never tell us that we're not numerically big enough to matter to them, but maybe that's the case. If you're a businessman and you don't care about anything but your ROI, then that's the way to go, right? I'm sure the developers care, but I doubt Take2 does, and they sign the checks.

    I do agree about the eclipse, though. :goodjob:
     
  14. Surgeon

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    Just putting it out there.... he might have quit for more money somewhere else. Hes a lead designer now, quite a resource, even if he did work on a "terrible aboniation wurzt game evar!" million+ selling game.
     
  15. Hormagaunt

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    The next few weeks will tell the tale. If we get more DLC, then the game's dead. If the next major patch doesn't bring in hotseat and a vastly improved multiplayer then again, the game's dead.

    With this development, whether he jumped or was pushed, I'm betting the game's dead.

    Me, I'm hoping for Civ6 inside 2 years. They can (I think) make a good Civ6 fairly quickly by combining some of the aspects of Civ5, some of Civ4, and some of the stuff people here and at 2K have been positing.

    I'll not preorder it, but if first impressions of others (NOT game reviewers) is good then I'll buy it fairly quickly.
     
  16. bonafide11

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    I think you're all overreacting. The game will go on with or without Shafer.

    By the way, anyone think about asking him on Twitter?

    http://twitter.com/_jon_shafer_

    Edit: I tweeted him and asked him what happened. Doubt I'll get a response though.
     
  17. markantony

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    Civ 4 sold 3.5m, not including expansions.
     
  18. player1 fanatic

    player1 fanatic Fanatic

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    ^but after how many time?
     
  19. croxis

    croxis Chat room op

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    All in 3 months? I don't think so.
     
  20. Guardian_PL

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    That's kind of irrelevant, considering that Civ5 sales are made directly from the success of Civ4.

    The important bit - "not including expansions"
     

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