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Jordan Peterson

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Kyriakos, Mar 8, 2018.

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  1. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    So, is this the person some in the forums have been talking about?

    I - entirely by chance, by which i am not joking; i was watching a funny Peter Hitchens video and this guy was in the list to the right - saw one of his videos when he talked a bit about iq tests in the american army, then saw - again in the list of vids to the right - a video titled (the one i posted here) thus that it would be about him possibly saying what his iq is.
    Now, after watching the previous vid to this one (US army etc), i noticed he doesn't sound intelligent. Eg he seems to struggle a bit, be toned-down but not in a way which would seem to be caused by massive amount of thinking on his mind, so checked the vid where he would say what his iq is, expecting that if he did come to say a number it would be something like 120.
    Fat chance. He claims his iq is "in excess of 150".

    Right. No, m8. It isn't. You aren't Einstein-territory intelligent.
    So, who is this guy supposed to be? Some intelligentsia version of Dr Phil? ^^
     
  2. GoodSarmatian

    GoodSarmatian A mad God's dying dream

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    I don't know much about Peterson, but this is my contribution to this thread.

    Spoilered for some very, Very Bad Language.

    Spoiler :


     
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  3. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Oh...
    Wow, he sounds like a poor-man's Milo...
     
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  4. Hygro

    Hygro soundcloud.com/hygro/

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    We don't judge a basketball player by his hockey skills. Don't post the hockey video as how we are going to examine the bballer's athleticism.

    edit, that said

    That's 3.5 standard deviations or an IQ level shared by 3 million people worldwide. Given our global winner take all media environment, it is entirely reasonable a person who used their IQ to figure out how to reach the masses would be a) the person you watched and b) a high IQ person, or one of those 3 million people.
     
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  5. Lexicus

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    I mean, we kind of do if he's trying to build a brand based on how good he is at hockey
     
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    Hey, I remember this guy. I fought with @Hygro because of him! I hate this guy!

    :p
     
  7. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    The thing about a 150+ IQ is that it is one in a thousand, so rare, but that also means that there are seven million people with 150+ IQ in the world. Not saying this guy is telling the truth, but it isn't really like "no way that can't be" would be a sound response, mathematically speaking. It takes a random group of only about 700 people to say that odds are one of them will be 150+ IQ, and I'd say we all probably attended a school with more than 700 people.
     
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  8. Hygro

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    Damn, I edited too slow. But you're off by well almost the same number in the end
     
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    In this case build a brand by exposing himself to fans. This is a livestream clipped, uploaded, and named by someone else.
     
  10. Kyriakos

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    Gone fishin'?
     
  11. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy As you wish.

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    Hating Jordan Peterson is an agenda point of at least an ideology group or two and I'm still trying to sort out why.
     
  12. Kyriakos

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    Even assuming the stat is correct/right, it obviously doesn't mean that irl one in x will be y; it just means that statistically, if the number x expands to something vast, your will get one y PER x. Vast being a lot larger than a few million - let alone 700. :)
     
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    :confused:

    Well, depends on which test you use. There is a commonly used test where one in a thousand falls at 147 rather than 150. Bottom line though, there are in fact millions of these guys running around.
     
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    People hate being exposed to themselves when they think it's other people who need to change.
     
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    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    Do the math. If you are looking for a one in a thousand person the odds of finding one cross fifty fifty at about 700. My high school, when I was there, had a thousand students. Assuming they were a truly random representative sample there is only a 36% chance that none of them would be a one in a thousand case.
     
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    warpus In pork I trust

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    Peterson is a Canadian prof who has been in the news lately because he has been criticizing certain aspects of the whole "please use my pronouns and do not assume my gender" movement or whatever you want to call it. He's also been critical of some aspects of a new bill that's now I law I believe, in which it might or might not be possible to slap criminal charges on somebody who doesn't use these pronouns properly. (some people say this isn't true, some say it is, some say the law is too vague to really know for sure, so I don't know myself and am just repeating the facts as I remember them)

    He's also been in the news because certain other professors have been using his material as a way to stir up debate and invite discussion at other universities, and some students have complained and there have been attempts to silence Peterson and prevent him from speaking at events, as well as others who share his views.

    I am probably wrong about some of the details, but that's more or less the gist of it.

    Essentially the guy is a bit of a jerk I think, but he's been approaching this from a purely academic point of view and attempting to invite debate about the new law and what it might affect. Recently he's teamed up with Stephen Fry in a debate (on facebook live?) against two people who disagree with these 2 people about pronouns and so on.

    The last interview I watched with Peterson in it (out of interest, this guy shows up in the news all the time up here), he was acting 100% civil and answering questions. So he might not be a jerk after all, I don't really know, I've only heard him speak twice or thrice.

    It's sort of controversial up here in the great white north, but most people who seem to really follow what's going on are extremists on both sides (left and right). Most of us are sort of sitting in the middle, not sure what to make of the new law, but upset that people have been trying to silence him. If he's a moron, let him speak and expose his moronic views.
     
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    Are you Peterson? Don't be so quick. I am familiar with probability. Also, unfortunately there was a typo, which i corrected some seconds later, but apparently not quick enough for you to try gloating :smug:

    Tldr, Tim, if probability was adapted IRL one-to-one, you'd get half heads and half tails for every even number of coin throws. But because it is probability, it works for a vast number of attempts, ie not 700, not 1 million, not even 300 million. Of course more parameters can be added, but afaik in the case of iq there isn't some clear groups of parameters you can then use probability with - at which point you'd also have issues with adapting the result to the irl event.
     
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    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    Do or do not, there is no try. I did successfully gloat.
     
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    Yeah you did

    And I'm here to reel you back in.
     
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    That joke probably also required an iq of 'an excess of 150'.
     
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