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Jury vote: The People of the State of Yasutan vs. Joe Harker

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Demo Game II: Polls' started by Lockesdonkey, Jul 27, 2007.

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In the matter of the People vs. Joe Harker, how do you find?

Poll closed Jul 29, 2007.
  1. Innocent

    10 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Guilty

    10 vote(s)
    50.0%
  3. Abstain

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Lockesdonkey

    Lockesdonkey Liberal Jihadist

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    "On the sole count of the indictment, violation of the Game Play Session Scheduling Initiative, how do you find?"

    Sorry, couldn't resist.

    Your task is to determine the innocence or guilt of Joe Harker in the case of The People of the State of Yasutan vs. Joe Harker. In the words of the court procedures:

    In addition to being private, the poll is single-choice.

    Thank you.

    Moderator Action: Move from Citizens forum to Polls - Methos
     
  2. fed1943

    fed1943 Emperor

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    By the reasons already told, I voted Joe Harker Innocent.

    Fiat Justitia.
     
  3. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity Retired Moderator

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    I would have so liked to have heard that "Law and Order" tune at that exact moment.
     
  4. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    Innocent, I think. Not quite sure on the legal stuff here.
     
  5. Methos

    Methos HoF Quattromaster Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    Guilty.

    Is there a reason this isn't in the Poll subforum?
     
  6. HUSch

    HUSch Secret-monger

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    In my opinion not guilty, also i vote innocent.
    But nobody is innocent!
     
  7. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    Nobody certainly is innocent. He's done I fine job as public defender.

    (Sorry, I can never resist Nobody jokes. He has the best forum name!)
     
  8. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    They got all the bodies down there. Elle MacPherson The Body from Aussie and Nobody the demogamer from Kiwi. Maybe the brother of nobody is somebody.
     
  9. Lockesdonkey

    Lockesdonkey Liberal Jihadist

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    Not really, no.

    Move it if you like, with your wonderful new mod powers...:)

    EDIT: I didn't notice that you'd done that already...silly me... (I came here straight from the main CFC Forums page...)

    That's exactly what I was thinking of at the time.
     
  10. Nobody

    Nobody Gangster

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    lol i was just going to make the same joke when i saw yours. :lol: im sure he means nobody but not nobody.

    well he does work at mc donalds, and i think hes a emo. Is that somebody?
     
  11. Nobody

    Nobody Gangster

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    wow its 50/50. Incase of a draw what happens? Does he go free, or is it hung and we do another poll?
     
  12. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    In my humble opinion, Guilty.
     
  13. Lockesdonkey

    Lockesdonkey Liberal Jihadist

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    The law is unclear. Looking at the general principles (it appears that we are a common-law jurisdiction, so I am assuming that we implicitly received our law uno acto from the the central tenets of the common law), it would appear that either a. the jury is hung (which sort of makes sense, considering that in real juries where a supermajority but not unanimity is required, the jury is deemed hung when the requirement is not met) or b. the guy goes free (the prosecution did not adequately meet its burden of proof). There is a third option, that of me casting the final vote (I have thus far refrained from casting any vote whatsoever), but as I am tangentially (and in a manner that doesn't impede my ability to do the fairly mundane tasks assigned to me in this matter) a party to the case, I'm not entirely sure that that would be wise.
     
  14. Methos

    Methos HoF Quattromaster Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    I don't like the thought of the CJ casting the final vote. Instead I suggest using the 'hung jury' option and just considering it a mistrial (not sure if that's the correct term). As you said, can't find enough burden of proof, therefore it's just dropped and he goes free.
     
  15. ordinaryguy

    ordinaryguy Back to Civ!

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    I just voted Joe Harker innocent. Now it's 8-8.
     
  16. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    I think the Constitution may answer the question of what happens in a tie.

    Article B - Citizens

    2. All citizens share the same fundamental rights, including but not limited to:
    7. The Right to Presumption of Innocence unless proven guilty
     
  17. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    Hmm, I wonder what we should do if we gotten a hung jury?
     
  18. Falcon02

    Falcon02 General

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    Tie-breaker...

    I voted Guilty, because I feel a rule was broken. However, no punishment should be given concidering the circumstances, since this was Joe's first game session, and no malice was intended.
     
  19. ori

    ori Repair Guy Super Moderator

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    Actually the law is clear:
    the tie would be broken by the three Justices clearly stating their vote in this thread. So in case of a tie the Court decides.
     
  20. Rik Meleet

    Rik Meleet Top predator Retired Moderator

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    When this poll is closed, we'd like to have Thunderfall double check the votes. The main reason is to make sure this poll is not influenced by the "double vote bug" or some other event.

    As soon as Thunderfall completes his check a moderator will post a "results stand" message in this thread if the bug is not present or else will make sure the poll-results reflect the way people (wanted to) vote(d). I am quiet sure the result will stand, but we want to remove all doubt beforehand. Thank you for your understanding.
     
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