Kashmir: pre-thread

Thomas,

I don't 'get' All-fatherism. its basically christianity but with its own god and its own christ that was hung instead of crucified? and last year instead of 500+ years ago.

I ask because you called my emperor a servant of the morning star which is associated first with hebrew terms for the king of babylon and later with christian names for devil (lucifer). Do you share a devil mythology with christianity?

So yeah, is there basically two christianities in kashmir?

(if i missed a post- please just say so)
 
Faith of the Allfather

At the dawn of time, God the All-father slew the giant Mangi. From the giant’s blood he fashioned the oceans and from his bones he carved the rock of the nine worlds. With this work done, he plucked each of the giant’s eyes out, and they became the two ravens Thought and Memory. Together, they wandered the worlds, hoping to find something. Eventually, as they neared the the corpse of the slain giant, God grew to be lonely, accompanied as he was by nothing but his thoughts and memories.

Reaching into the rotting corpse, God grasped the giant’s hearts and willed it aflame. He set it into the sky, and it became the sun. Now, God could truly see the spread of the worlds he had created, and again he was struck by the loneliness of it all.

On the first day, God created the world tree, to bind all the worlds together.

On the second day, he created the angels, and split them into two groups, the Asur and Vanur. To the Asur, he granted dominion over all things physical and solid, and to the Vanur, he gave dominion over all things that grew, from the grass on the ground to time itself.

The greatest of the Asur was the Morning Star, Loki, but nearly his equals were the guardians of heaven Himdal, Mikal, who governed the lands, and Raggal,. Many more Asur exist, but those are the most important. God took Raggal as his wife, and begat many more Asur. Following his example, the other Asur also took wives and begat more asur.

The Greatest of the Vanur was Njordr, who had dominion over all the oceans of the world. His two children were Frej and Freja, who were known, after Loki, to be the most beautiful things in all of creation. So Beautiful was Freja, in fact, that the dwarf Gandalf sought to recreate her beauty and made moonlight.

For a time, there was peace between Heaven, the domain of the Asur, and Vanheim, domain of the Vanur. But, as all creatures are imperfect, eventually disharmony arose. Wars were fought, and time and time again, God intervened. There were heroes on both sides, and many tragedies. Finally, to end the wars, God made the Asur and Vanur one.

Seeing that the Asur were still imperfect, God tried again, making the Alfar, lesser beings to the Asur, but still much greater than humans would be. They were given immortality, but, like the Asur before them, they were ultimately a part of God and not their own. To them, he gave the world of Alfheim. This was the third day.

Loki became great friends with the Alfar, teaching them many crafts, such as writing, forging, and magic and to love God. But, as Loki walked amongst the Alfar, the seed of jealousy grew in his heart. Surely, he who was second only to the All-father could also create something as great as the alfar.

On the fourth day, Loki crafted the giants, and the dwarves. However, they did not have true life, as only that was a gift able to be given by God. Loki wept over his creations, and his tears became the stars in the heaven. God heard his weeping and found Loki standing over his lifeless creations. Angered though he was that Loki had tried to take the place of God, he was moved to pity, and bade Loki chose which of his creations he wished most to see alive.

Loki chose the dwarves, and the All-father breathed life into them. They awoke, and immediately loved god, for he had given them life when they should not have. Once God was gone, Loki, who was angered at the dwarves abandonment of him, stole half the life God had bestowed upon them, and gave it to the Giants. As such, both dwarves and giants are only half alive, missing a crucial part of their being. Dwarves and Giants have hated each other ever since.

On the fifth day, Loki travelled amongst the Asur and the Alfar, helping some, hindering others. He became known as a trickster, though many loved him, for he brought down many tyrants and put up those oppressed. Loki and his followers approached God, asking him to bestow the ability to create life upon all of them. Unfortunately, this was a gift the All-father could not give, for even he did not know how he gave life, only that he could. Loki, in anger, drew his sword on god and struck him, blinding him in one eye. For this, he was cast down out of heaven and into the abyss, where many of his followers joined him. As he fell, he cursed God and all of his creations, foretelling Ragnarok, the end times. God was saddened, as he knew the truth of Loki’s words. Loki came to the world at the bottom of the World Tree, and became its king.

Saddened, God tried to create life one last time. Reaching into Mangi’s almost completely rotten corpse, he took a handful of the giant’s brain. Crafting it into his own image, he breathed life into the first man and woman, Ask and Eva. Though mortal, for they were made from the rotting flesh, they were nearest to God, for they could create in ways that no other creature could. For a time, they lived in heaven, and so did their children and children’s children, but Loki crept to them in the shape of a horned serpent. He spoke to them, and befriended them. But his words carried the taint of corruption, which all of humanity has had since. This corruption finally forced God to expel humans from heaven, as they could not longer live there. He promised them that one day he would send his son and that this son would lead them back to Heaven. He gave humans middle earth, and they soon grew to rule it.

Many stories can be told of this time, of the flood and Njord’s great ship, of the slaying of the great wyrms Leviathan and Behemoth by the heroes of the earth, of the Smiting of Jericho, of the Exodus from either the frozen wastes of the North or the dry deserts of the South. But, really, there is only one more great story worth telling, That of the Son of God Thor, or Jesus, as he is known in other lands, who died at the hand of the Romans to lead Humans back into heaven, and of his apostles, the most loyal of whom was Judas, who Sold Jesus out to the Romans so that his purpose could be accomplished.

(In essence, a synthesis of Nordo-Germanic myth and Christianity.)

It is during this migration, also, that the the people of King Hrothgar first encountered the teachings of “The White Christ.” For some reason, perhaps because of the informal interaction between the faiths (no records of active missionaries or saints exist among the migration), Christian stories were incorporated into the already disparate mythology of the Jutes, Saxons, and Franks. As literacy was introduced, many of the stories were written down, and by the time official missionaries were sent from Rome, the Faith of the All-father was already established and vibrant, nearly untouchable, especially as many adherents saw christianity as only slightly different than their own faith.

-Allfather: The faith of the Allfather is a variant of Christianity that incorporates Germanic myths, traditions, and even deities, to the point where the Syrian church does not even recognize the Faith of the Allfather as Christian. The Faith's believers venerate Thor, who sacrificed himself to save humanity of their sins. The Faith originated in fifth century Nornidr, in Northern Italy, and spread northwards quite rapidly, aided by no shortage of missionary activity, into the Germanic tribes of Central Europe, where it is fast becoming the dominant religion there; it is currently in something of a state of limbo after its holiest temple, in Meduseld, was destroyed by the Latins.

We certainly consider ourselves Christians, though no one else does.
 
Its for all intents and purposes a Germanic equivalent of Voodoo. That is to say Germanic paganism mixed with Christian iconography and tropes in the manner that Voodoo integrates the Christian God (Bondye in voodoo terminology, from the French Bon Dieu), and covers the lwa with the iconography of the saints.
 
Its for all intents and purposes a Germanic equivalent of Voodoo. That is to say Germanic paganism mixed with Christian iconography and tropes in the manner that Voodoo integrates the Christian God (Bondye in voodoo terminology, from the French Bon Dieu), and covers the lwa with the iconography of the saints.

Basically, though that's dismissing it a bit.
 
So yeah, is there basically two christianities in kashmir?

There are actually a good chunk of Christianities, I would say tbh at the least probably 3, With Indian Christianity being significantly different from Syrian or Allfather, though MY indian christianity is probalby going to be significantly closer to Syrian than Allfather is :p

now unfortuatnly I haven't been doing any rp for kashmir, but I want to, I have some ideas I just need to get writing :p
 
note to self: If the opportunity arises and circumstances allow, conquer India and set up an inquisition.
 
Spoiler :

Yamdu Lhatsang Gyalcha [Mnyam-du Lnga-gtsang Rgyal-cha; United Lhatsang Confederacy]

History:

The development of the Lhatsang state and the migration of the Gnamri people began, curiously enough, much to the east of Lhatsang. Historically, the Gnamri people had developed their culture and language in a mountainous region north of the Kingdom of Kamarupa up the Brahmaputra River. By 575 AD, the Gnamri people in this area had formed a variety of small city states, premier among them Tsetang, Rawe-sa, Gzhiskartse, and Nyingkhri. For the most part, these city states remained isolated in the chaotic political world around them. Their economies were primarily pastoral and agricultural, growing buckwheat, wheat, and barley and raising sheep and yaks, though during the second half of the 6th century AD, a new breed of hardy, relatively small but fast horse was introduced to the Gnamri city states from far to the north. The year 575 AD saw contact between the Kingdom of Kamarupa and the Gnamri city states alongside a massive technological transfer between the two cultures (though it was primarily one way from Kamarupa to the Gnamri). Two particular innovations and inventions that were entirely militaristic in nature indirectly seeded the westwards migration of the Gnamri peoples to Lhatsang. They were the stirrups and the repeating crossbow (known in Chinese as the Zhuge nu and in Gnamri as the Mangpolebmemda). With these new innovations, the Gnamri city-states were able to quickly and efficiently subjugate their nearby neighbors and expand at an astonishing pace. As it turned out, once there were no other neighbors left for the Gnamri to conquer, the city-states quickly turned to anarchy. As the Gnamri city-states quickly devolved into anarchy, a single opportunistic

Religion:

Lamkhag-sangsrgyaskyichos [Lamkhag Buddhism] is centered entirely on the idea of finding emptiness, vipassanā (Lhagmtong in Gnamri), and blissful liberty from environmental limitations within the fluid and obstructive surroundings. The pinnacle of this liberation as is considered by a majority of the Gnamri peoples (and has been coalesced into a school of thought by the same name) is known as Dzogschen, or ‘Great Perfection,’ under which there are eight other levels of approaching perfection. The Dzogschen tradition has been fused with Confucian and Buddhist traditions gained from contact by the original Gnamri peoples with the Kamarupa Kingdom and Chinese expatriots within Kamarupa to bestow the ideal of Bodhicitta (Byangchubkyisems in Gnamri) and the title of Bodhisattva (Byangchubsemsdpa). In addition, Lamkhag Buddhism comprises the teachings of the three yana of Buddhism: Hinayana, Mahayana, and Vajrayana. A heavy focus in the Dzogschen tradition is the emphasis on skepticism and meditation as an analytical vehicle. Additionally, from Chinese Confucian teachings is derived firstly (in conjunction with Buddhist tradition) a great respect and reverence for the teacher or scholar (Guru or Ru, but Lama in Gnamri) and secondly the five constant ethics of Confucianism placed in nearly the same fashion into Lamkhag thought. Dgeba corresponds to Ren, Drangbden corresponds to Yi, Tshadldan to Li, Shespa to Zhi, and Drangpo to Xin, whereas the four together are known as the Lnga Dbangsgyurbyedchen, or Five Great Virtues.
The premier lama of the Lamkhag system is the Lamachen, or ‘Great Lama.’ Unlike other Lamas, the title of Lamachen is achieved through reincarnation, in which after the death of an incumbent Lamachen, an oracle is consulted to determine the flow of the Lamachen’s mindstream to a new body. From this oracle, through a variety of distinct signs, is found the young child that will take the form of the new Lamachen.

Regions:

Rtswargyud:

-Leh: Gle Namgyal
-Gilgit: Ngyalhatsa
-Tholing: Mtholding

Bhekhtsang:

-Peshawar: Blamayirgyalsa
-Zhob: Lyudtsangpochu

Lhogtsangzhingkha:

Taxila: Taktsanrgyalsa
Srinagar: Snyimranargyalsa
Jadampur: Dzatsamrgyal

Chengtsangzhingkha:

Jalandhar: Rgyalhamtsar
Lahore: Gzhiskhor-gyi-Ldumra [Lhapwargyalsa]
Multan: Khalyshtrgyalsa
Sialkot: Tsalmkhadla
 
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