Kentucky church votes to ban interracial couples

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  1. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Weird.

    Why are churches allowed to discriminate against homosexual marriage then? There are law against racial discrimination, but not sexual orientation discrimination (in the U.S.) ?
     
  2. JollyRoger

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    Just like parties voluntarily agreeing for Sharia law to control their dealings with each other, right?
     
  3. CELTICEMPIRE

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    Because the Bible expressly forbids it.

    I don't care what your opinion is on gay marriage, it is very different to ban it than to ban interracial marriages.
     
  4. Ajidica

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    The Bible also forbids the wearing of polyester clothing, but I still wear polyester anyhow.
     
  5. aelf

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    Sounds like the Bible forbids all sorts of weird things. I was a practicing Christian, yet I've never heard a coherent argument on why Bible-proscribed things like homosexuality are still forbidden but stuff like wearing wool and linen fabrics together are not.

    EDIT: holy xpost batman!
     
  6. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    The Bible is silent on homosexual marriage. In fact, the Bible describes several married households with multiple spouses of the same gender. Solomon was not condemned for having so many same sex spouses involved in his household, but for marrying foreigners (which borders on a ban on interracial marriages).
     
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    That was part of the old covenant, but homosexuality is still forbidden in the New testament.
     
  8. JollyRoger

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    The New Testament is silent on same gender marriage.
     
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    Thankfully, most people who base their beliefs on the Bible have chosen to selectively ignore this fact. Those who haven't have never actually read the book they use to justify their convictions.
     
  10. Elrohir

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    How is race generally related to childbirth in any way?

    But it expressly forbids homosexual sex, which is generally thought to be integral to marriage.

    Troll all you want, but the simple fact is that gay marriage and a serious, sincerely devout interpretation of Christian scriptures are incompatible. Those who are neither serious nor sincerely devout in their faith probably won't care, making your arguments meaningless; those who take it seriously won't be swayed, because they're pretty obviously incompatible. Either way, you're wasting your time if you're hoping to actually accomplish anything productive.
     
  11. JollyRoger

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    It forbids all sorts of sex outside of marriage that is apparently ok within marriage.
     
  12. Elrohir

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    I'm not even sure what you're saying here. I can't tell if you're being unclear, illogical, or both.
     
  13. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    Because Old Testament laws are null, the former exists in both Testaments whereas the latter is only in the Old Testament
     
  14. JollyRoger

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    What does the Bible say about heterosexual acts outside of marriage?
     
  15. Elrohir

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    Is that really the tack you're taking?

    Heterosexual sex is described as moral in some circumstances, immoral in others. Homosexual sex is described as immoral, period. There's no contextual reason for believing that Biblical references refer exclusively to extramarital homosexual sex.
     
  16. JollyRoger

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    What does the Bible have to specifically say about the sexual limits of a same gender marriage? What does the Bible have to say about a sexless marriage?
     
  17. Elrohir

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    It doesn't address them, since an essential element of marriage (sex) is condemned. And if by "sexless" marriages you mean one where marriage never happens, it's generally not positive:

    There's arguably room for a sexless marriage where neither is interested in sex, as then there would be no temptation to stray. But otherwise, there's not much scriptural support for the idea. (Which is something Christian churches should preach on considerably more, actually.)
     
  18. JollyRoger

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    What did Paul think of Jesus failing to have a wife?
     
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    It may be worth noting that the Greek words translated "husband" and "wife" in that passage actually just mean "man" and "woman." Nothing in the passage mentions marriage, especially in any state sanctioned legally binding sort of way. It seems to encourage sexually active committed monogamous but quite possibly unmarried couples, for the purpose of discouraging prostitution (which in the strict sense is what the term translated "sexual immorality" really means, although it was often used loosely by the time the epistles where written).

    Right afterwards however it recommends that those who can tolerate celibacy without burning with lust should remain single and chaste.
     
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    Perfectly fine, and perhaps preferable. Why?
     

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