Killing in the name of religion (Islam): This time in Turkey

[Verbose]

The problem, Verbose, is that I've defined nothing. I mean it. Zilch.

I'm only re-iterating the opinions of the great legal scholars of Islam of the past (and the present), who have shaped (and are shaping) the way the Islamic canon is interpreted.

Yes, but you are by necessity making a selection.

If it is not corroberated by a majority of Muslims that your selection is in fact representative of their stance, then it falls flat, no matter if it is based on the interpretation of Muslims scholars or not. There never was a shortage of those, nor of competing interpretations.

 

[Azkonus]

...Attaturk,Attaturk, Attaturk, Attaturk, Attaturk, Attaturk...

Well, Atta means (throw it first then)

So Attaturk means "throw it first then Turk".

 

[Kyriakos]

Sounds correct then

 

[Azkonus]

Sounds correct then

No. Kayrakiios it is not.

Do you know "evdeymismisler"

Means "according to them it is so obvious that they have been at the house at that particular time" in Turkish.

 

[knigh+]

Wait, shouldnt we be discussing about the 'gay Attaturk' thread in YouTube?

because instead of that, it is a better use of our time if we correct your spelling of Ataturk

I wonder when will people publish books like "Turk-bashing for dummies", "1001 ways of Turk-bashing".... then they can list YouTube in there.

 

[Kyriakos]

Nice try; infact i was making an intelligent pun using the name of your Napoleon figure. Snowball would have been proud.

At least that is the way i see it, from the mushroom

 

[knigh+]

Well, Atta means (throw it first then)

Or "going out" in baby talk

 

[Winner]

Another thread for Islam bashing

And Aneeshm, I read the Qa'ran myself, and found rare instances of preaching violence against non-believers, but those were few and did not follow the overall message being preached throughout the different books.

Some people obviously can't make a difference between legitimate criticism and pointless bashing.

 

[Atlas14]

Some people obviously can't make a difference between legitimate criticism and pointless bashing.

Clearly, you and Aneeshm have yet to enter the realm of legitimate criticism.

 

[Azkonus]

Or "going out" in baby talk

That's right. How is your thesis going?

Back on Topic: This is certainly not a killing in the name of a religion, but executed by an organized crime group.

 

[Winner]

Clearly, you and Aneeshm have yet to enter the realm of legitimate criticism.

Clearly, you don't even know what does it mean.

Anneshm started thousands of threads where he thoroughly explained, why is Islam more violent than other religions, why it justifies terrorism etc. Find them, read them, if you haven't already.

Nobody here has ever managed to disprove his points. Any discussion has always degenerated into "you're a racist/islamophobe/fascist/whatever". Every time PC zealots run out of arguments, they start throwing accusations. Pathetic

 

[knigh+]

That's right. How is your thesis going?

The comment above my avatar...

I am defending on Thursday. That's why I limited myself to very short replies nowadays.

 

[Atlas14]

Anneshm started thousands of threads where he thoroughly explained, why is Islam more violent than other religions, why it justifies terrorism etc. Find them, read them, if you haven't already.

Aneeshm is notorious for picking and choosing the Qa'ran verses he wants to interpret, and applies a highly biased analysis. Take a look at who we are dealing with. A Hindu, who's culture is constantly clashing with the religion/culture of the Islamic people in India. Do you honestly think Aneeshm is approaching this issue from a neutral standpoint?

Nobody here has ever managed to disprove his points. Any discussion has always degenerated into "you're a racist/islamophobe/fascist/whatever". Every time PC zealots run out of arguments, they start throwing accusations. Pathetic

Nobody has managed to "disprove" any of his points because Aneeshm refuses to accept counter-arguments, and believes his interpretations and selction of verses holds its own weight in gold.

 

[Azkonus]

The comment above my avatar...

I am defending on Thursday. That's why I limited myself to very short replies nowadays.

Well, Good Luck buddy! I hope it will be a piece of cake for you

Goster baba MIT dekilere Turk ogrencilerin gucunu

On topic: This news not worth openning a topic about it.

 

[Stylesjl]

OMG A COUPLE OF ORDINARY MURDERS LOL. ISLAM IS BAD, LOL, TURKEY IS BAD, LOL. I'M SO SMART LOL.

Ahem, what's so important, again? Religous motivated murders happen all the time, big deal

 

[Winner]

Aneeshm is notorious for picking and choosing the Qa'ran verses he wants to interpret, and applies a highly biased analysis. Take a look at who we are dealing with. A Hindu, who's culture is constantly clashing with the religion/culture of the Islamic people in India. Do you honestly think Aneeshm is approaching this issue from a neutral standpoint?

No, he isn't, but who could? Pretty much every other civilisation has issues with Islam. Ever wondered why?

He showed, that Islam is full of crap. You can justify almost anything, if it serves the religion. You admit there are also different verses. Nobody claims they're not, but they don't compensate the damage that has been made by the violent ones. Moreover, Koran is to be interpreted according to Hadith, which is even more violent than Koran itself.

Opponents, instead of accepting the fact that Islam is, compared to other religions, more prone to violence, still repeat stupid PC phrases about religion of peace.

If Islam is a religion of peace, then I am the Pope.

Nobody has managed to "disprove" any of his points because Aneeshm refuses to accept counter-arguments, and believes his interpretations and selction of verses holds its own weight in gold.

Are we talking about the same Aneeshm? He replied in civil manner to any criticism, unlike his opponents, who were rude in almost every instance. It is really not his fault that people can't see what's obvious, because their emotional fail-safe prevents them from that.

 

[Phlegmak]

Another pointless thread for Turk-bashing and islamophobia.

Every country has murderers. It has nothing to do with religion, EU or secularism.




Boy you really need to learn more about Turkey before throwing around random statements.

It's not about religion? What? It's clearly about religion. The murders were done for religious reasons.

 

[El_Machinae]

The comment above my avatar...

I am defending on Thursday. That's why I limited myself to very short replies nowadays.

Shows how out of the loop I am. What's your thesis on?

 

[knigh+]

It's not about religion? What? It's clearly about religion. The murders were done for religious reasons.

I meant the fact that "every country has murderers, who commit their crimes for some reason" has nothing to do with religion or this particular crime being committed for a religious reason. Other than giving people yet another opportunity for islam-bashing and/or turk-bashing, I don't see why the reason of this particular murder merits a thread whereas there are countless other murders everyday for money, lust, drugs, psychological reasons, etc., as well as murders with no reason.

Shows how out of the loop I am. What's your thesis on?

Don't worry there's no loop, I don't even remember when I said anything about my thesis.

My research is about some balls, and some serious sucking

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Modeling the Relation between Suction, Effective Stress and Shear Strength in Partially Saturated Granular Media

Decades of geotechnical research firmly established that the mechanical properties (shear strength and deformation characteristics) of soils can be explained by “effective stress”, i.e. the stress carried by the solid matrix. The remaining stress is carried by the pore fluid in the form of pore pressure. In unsaturated soils, coexistence of water and air results in negative pore pressures, which are termed “soil suction”. A clear link between soil suction and effective stress has not been established.

This research develops a hypothesis for linking the effective stress to total stress and soil suction, for uniform, spherical particles, at low water contents. The hypothesis includes analytical formulation of water geometry and forces at the micro-scale. The change in effective stress due to soil suction is estimated from this particle contact scale, also involving relative density in the estimation. A way of inferring the effective stress in an unsaturated soil from strength test results is also proposed as a side-hypothesis.

In order to examine partially saturated mechanical behavior of granular materials, a triaxial test setup was modified to accommodate an MIT Tensiometer as its pedestal. Materials consisting of uniform spherical particles (glass beads) were tested, under both saturated and unsaturated conditions, to match the hypothesis. In order to accommodate the unique difficulties of constituting a specimen made of glass beads, new test preparation procedures were developed. New corrections, which are applicable to any triaxial test measurements, were proposed.

With the experimental program, new behavioral features unique to such idealized materials were investigated. Coupling saturated and unsaturated shear strength tests, through the side-hypothesis, effects of suction on effective stress were inferred. The experimentally obtained increase in effective stress due to suction is significantly larger than the hypotetical estimate. However, many observed aspects of unsaturated behavior are in parallel to the main hypothesis. Therefore the discrepancy may originate from the side hypothesis linking effective stress to shear strength, leaving merit to the main hypothesis for effective stress in partially saturated granular media.

 

[Swedishguy]

I hope they don't expect more to follow Islam now...