fe3333au
Deity
This is for Diplomatic Issues concerning the KISS
KISS Files Term 7 - 9
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fe3333au
Deity
KISS are at war with TNT.
We have confirmed peace until Turn 166
We have confirmed peace until Turn 166
Possible topics for an opener with KISS:
How goes the war?
How goes the settlement?
Monotheism - did you research it or trade for it?
Planning on settling on Battle Isle?
It really doesn't matter what we talk about, or ask them. We just need to keep talking. If we are completely silent, it could arouse suspicions. It's much easier to distract someone with your words than it is with your actions.
How goes the war?
How goes the settlement?
Monotheism - did you research it or trade for it?
Planning on settling on Battle Isle?
It really doesn't matter what we talk about, or ask them. We just need to keep talking. If we are completely silent, it could arouse suspicions. It's much easier to distract someone with your words than it is with your actions.
fe3333au
Deity
I agree ... however it's the nature of the interchange that has me stumped.
Do I lie ... be truthfull ... or vague.
The way I answer their questions will be directly proportional to what we gain from them.
I'm confident that I can misdirect
... however what I'd like is a directive on exactly what I can reveal to KISS if it becomes necessary.
Do I lie ... be truthfull ... or vague.
The way I answer their questions will be directly proportional to what we gain from them.
I'm confident that I can misdirect
... however what I'd like is a directive on exactly what I can reveal to KISS if it becomes necessary.
lurker's comment: Distract KISS ?? Why ?
Am I missing somehing ? Are you planning to sneak attack them ??
Am I missing somehing ? Are you planning to sneak attack them ??
fe3333au
Deity
we have peace until turn 166 ... so no attack 
I thought we were talking about sending KISS a letter - not calling up a chat. I'm just trying to make a point that we can't just keep silent for the next 43 turns. Besides - communication presents the opportunity for misinformation.
Also, I wouldn't be to forward about our assistance of TNT in their war. I mean, how do you think KISS will react if they found out that we are spending 400g against them! I think it's pretty obvious we don't want KISS to find that out.
All of the above!
fe3333au
Deity
What I'm getting at is this
It seems from TNT sharing info that they have 13 cities ... so they are actually doing better than Nuts.
So keeping or providing any hints about our relationship with TNT secret is paramount IMO.
I mention chat cos Whomp will be back on AIM soon.
so even if we send a letter, I'm sure it would become a discussion point for a chat.
So during a chat, I'd be evasive to those sorts of questions and then that I think, would be worst than silence.
Guess I see communicating would be good, but am unsure to the need at the same time
What would you want in the letter?
It seems from TNT sharing info that they have 13 cities ... so they are actually doing better than Nuts.
So keeping or providing any hints about our relationship with TNT secret is paramount IMO.
I mention chat cos Whomp will be back on AIM soon.
so even if we send a letter, I'm sure it would become a discussion point for a chat.
So during a chat, I'd be evasive to those sorts of questions and then that I think, would be worst than silence.
Guess I see communicating would be good, but am unsure to the need at the same time
What would you want in the letter?
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
It's not my call – but I, for one, am skeptical of the benefit of talking with KISS.
I suppose a "hey – how are you? How goes the war? Well, nice talking to you" letter would be ok.
But I really don't think we want to reveal anything – so we either have to commission Fe to lie (to what end?) or else he has to be cagey and evasive (how does that help us?).
Anyway – If we talk… fine.
But my personal vote is to not reveal anything of any value to KISS. Their information gathering and analysis services rival ours – and I'd rather not give them anything to start guessing at what our plan is.
Let them think we've gone into turtle-build mode.
(Which if Fe DOES talk to them – I'd advocate him doing everything he can to convince them that we've gone isolationist/builder… which will be plainly not true if we can get a deal with the Dnuts or as soon as we start feeding tech to TNT.)
I suppose a "hey – how are you? How goes the war? Well, nice talking to you" letter would be ok.
But I really don't think we want to reveal anything – so we either have to commission Fe to lie (to what end?) or else he has to be cagey and evasive (how does that help us?).
Anyway – If we talk… fine.
But my personal vote is to not reveal anything of any value to KISS. Their information gathering and analysis services rival ours – and I'd rather not give them anything to start guessing at what our plan is.
Let them think we've gone into turtle-build mode.
(Which if Fe DOES talk to them – I'd advocate him doing everything he can to convince them that we've gone isolationist/builder… which will be plainly not true if we can get a deal with the Dnuts or as soon as we start feeding tech to TNT.)
fe3333au
Deity
So one vote for the Cone of Silence to continue.
We could approach them in a frivolous manner via a reporter approach?
Semi serious but it will be edited (with bias) for the next Tribune?
We could approach them in a frivolous manner via a reporter approach?
Semi serious but it will be edited (with bias) for the next Tribune?
fe3333au
Deity
Settler Spawning
I've taken a bit of time to have a look at the KISS population drops in cities we have data on ... I suspect there is 1 we cannot see.
City Tile Data
Established Cities
Simpleton ... 2 x Fish, Wheat, Cattle ... Hidden Settler Factory suspect.
Dunderhead ... Wheat ... 5 Black tiles.
Ignoramus ... Wheat ... 3 Black tiles.
Polecat ... No Bonus.
Gilfach ... No Bonus ... 2 Black tiles.
Cyprus Creek ... 3 x Oasis, Bananna.
Cities with Non-expanded Borders confirmed
Senilityville (Spice Town) ... Bananna.
DuMass ... No Bonus.
Dresden ... No Bonus.
Fortess of Stupidity ... Bananna.
Dionysus ... No Bonus. (Fish potential)
Time Line ... KISS Population Drops
101 - Cyprus Creek (3 > 2)
102 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
106 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
108 - Dunderhead (9 > 8)
109 - Polecat (7 > 6) and Gilfach (5 > 3)
110 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
114 - Senilityville (3 > 2)
115 - Dunderhead (9 > 7) and Senilityville (2 > 1)
119 - Ignoramus (9 > 8)
121 - Dresden (2 > 1), Fortess of Stupidity (2 > 1)
122 - Ignoramus (7 > 6)
125 - Ignoramus (7 > 6)
126 - Dionysus (2 > 1)
Time Line ... Suspected Settler Creation and Foundings with International Events
102 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
106 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
108 - Dunderhead (9 > 8)
109 - Gilfach (5 > 3)
110 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
112 - Nincompoopicity founded
115 - Dunderhead (9 > 7)
116 - Dionysus founded
117 - MIA/KISS Peace Treaty
118 - TNT War Started
119 - Ignoramus (9 > 8)
120 - KISS Golden Age
122 - Ignoramus (7 > 6)
125 - Ignoramus (7 > 6)
126 - Spite founded, population data obscured.
127 - Malice founded
* Due to rapid oscillating of population, I think Ignoramus is spitting out workers.
Assumptions ... since Turn 100
Cities Founded = 4
Confirmed Settlers produced = 2
Hidden Settler Factory - Simpleton = 3
Potential Settler produced - Dunderhead = 1 long ago
Therefore a potential of 2 unaccounted for settlers.
BUT ... probably more like for 1 additional Battle Isle expansion.
I've taken a bit of time to have a look at the KISS population drops in cities we have data on ... I suspect there is 1 we cannot see.
City Tile Data
Established Cities
Simpleton ... 2 x Fish, Wheat, Cattle ... Hidden Settler Factory suspect.
Dunderhead ... Wheat ... 5 Black tiles.
Ignoramus ... Wheat ... 3 Black tiles.
Polecat ... No Bonus.
Gilfach ... No Bonus ... 2 Black tiles.
Cyprus Creek ... 3 x Oasis, Bananna.
Cities with Non-expanded Borders confirmed
Senilityville (Spice Town) ... Bananna.
DuMass ... No Bonus.
Dresden ... No Bonus.
Fortess of Stupidity ... Bananna.
Dionysus ... No Bonus. (Fish potential)
Time Line ... KISS Population Drops
101 - Cyprus Creek (3 > 2)
102 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
106 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
108 - Dunderhead (9 > 8)
109 - Polecat (7 > 6) and Gilfach (5 > 3)
110 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
114 - Senilityville (3 > 2)
115 - Dunderhead (9 > 7) and Senilityville (2 > 1)
119 - Ignoramus (9 > 8)
121 - Dresden (2 > 1), Fortess of Stupidity (2 > 1)
122 - Ignoramus (7 > 6)
125 - Ignoramus (7 > 6)
126 - Dionysus (2 > 1)
Time Line ... Suspected Settler Creation and Foundings with International Events
102 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
106 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
108 - Dunderhead (9 > 8)
109 - Gilfach (5 > 3)
110 - Simpleton (6 > 5)
112 - Nincompoopicity founded
115 - Dunderhead (9 > 7)
116 - Dionysus founded
117 - MIA/KISS Peace Treaty
118 - TNT War Started
120 - KISS Golden Age
126 - Spite founded, population data obscured.
127 - Malice founded
* Due to rapid oscillating of population, I think Ignoramus is spitting out workers.
Assumptions ... since Turn 100
Cities Founded = 4
Confirmed Settlers produced = 2
Hidden Settler Factory - Simpleton = 3
Potential Settler produced - Dunderhead = 1 long ago
Therefore a potential of 2 unaccounted for settlers.
BUT ... probably more like for 1 additional Battle Isle expansion.
fe3333au
Deity
Turn 128, pop drop in Simpleton ... therefore another Settler.
KISS have a maximum 3, but more like 2 spare settlers.
KISS have a maximum 3, but more like 2 spare settlers.
fe3333au
Deity
Turn 130, Wilde Side founded on Green Continent.
KISS have a maximum3 2, but more like 2 1 spare settlers.
KISS have a maximum
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
So... what ARE those KISS idiots doing with their golden age? Dosn't look like their getting a lot of settlers... not getting a bunch of tech... must be getting gold and military units?
That's great news for MIA... and very scary news for TNT.
Maybe we should pass this info along again.
(I know you sorta are allready... but if we tell them again "look, they're not getting tech, they're not building a lot of settlers... they're in a golden age... what do YOU think they are doing TNT?!?)
That's great news for MIA... and very scary news for TNT.
Maybe we should pass this info along again.
(I know you sorta are allready... but if we tell them again "look, they're not getting tech, they're not building a lot of settlers... they're in a golden age... what do YOU think they are doing TNT?!?)
fe3333au
Deity
I understand ... but considering the 'tone' of our last letter ... I think that it is best to await their reply ... or a chat opportunity.
We don't want to harp too much ... as it may just turn against us.
We don't want to harp too much ... as it may just turn against us.
General_W
Councilor & Merlot Noble
ok - very good point.
that's why you're in charge of Foreign!
that's why you're in charge of Foreign!
fe3333au
Deity
I received a PM from Scoutsout asking how I was ... and when I'll be able to play a SG with him and the team.
I replied
I read from that, that we have indeed successfully hidden the exact nature and level of our support to TNT from KISS.
I say this confidently because the nature of the previous correspondence was of sick friend who is fed up and frustrated that his current medical situation is interfering with his social gaming interaction.
Therefore maybe it is time to write a letter, if only so that we can 'keep in touch'.
Very Very Draft Ideas ... please to add, but no rush.
Apart from intensions on Battle Isle ... what else we want to know ... if we gonna do this, we may as well make it a biggy
I replied
fe3333au said:Hi <censored>
Thanks for the PM
I am OK-ish,
<medical blah>
<What I'm doing Civ-wise blah>
I am also with assistance from the team, still Foreign Minister of MIA ... and boy it that game becoming interesting as well you know
Pas on regards to your team as I am not had a ood chat with you guys for some time now.
I hope you are well sir ... cya around the forums ... and after dentist, I may be able to commit myself to another game
Cheers
Werner
scoutsout said:
I read from that, that we have indeed successfully hidden the exact nature and level of our support to TNT from KISS.
I say this confidently because the nature of the previous correspondence was of sick friend who is fed up and frustrated that his current medical situation is interfering with his social gaming interaction.
Therefore maybe it is time to write a letter, if only so that we can 'keep in touch'.
Very Very Draft Ideas ... please to add, but no rush.
Dear Scoutsout, Whomp, Skippy, Dags, Harriet and everyone else at KISS.
I hope you are enjoying the view of the Colossus, we have a special cleaning squad who spend every day buffing and polishing our glory to Greek manhood ... Our border cities report that on the times of the full moon, the dimpled rear lights up the streets at night ... and you should see it from the front
Anyway, we note that you are still conducting your business on Battle Isle, we were under the impression that it was only going to be a quick slap to get respect and then over. May we ask exactly what your intentions are?
blah blah cya later
Apart from intensions on Battle Isle ... what else we want to know ... if we gonna do this, we may as well make it a biggy
fe3333au
Deity
Chat with Admiral K and we ended up doing some diplomacy as well
Well apart from the fact that KISS have not finished with TNT yet
The news thatTNT Nuts had to disband the tourist unit ... if correct that sounds very ... ummm ... interesting.
Preamble
fe3333au: hi buddy boy
Skippyshutt: OMG, its alive
fe3333au: barely ... but I have a pulse LOL
fe3333au: How are you?
Skippyshutt: youngling just got another detention
fe3333au: chip off the old block ?;-)
Skippyshutt: you are an evil old fart. lol ... I never got caught
<blah blah>
Banter continues
fe3333au: is it mother's day on Sunday for you as well?
Skippyshutt: you had a mother? I was reproduced by fission and I'm not even dinsog (a lawyer) ... Btw, I've been drinking more that usual since I don't have to work tomorrow in honor of the national holiday
fe3333au: what holiday? ... and I was hatched actually
Tubby Rower a dad
Skippyshutt: Ethan Rower hath joined the clan. You didn't get the memo? ... All the idiots are taking holiday and spamming tomorrow in honor of the birth
fe3333au: no idea what you are refering too ... so I didn't get the memo ... does it have 3 K's in the letterhead
Skippyshutt: tubs reproduced
fe3333au: OH
Skippyshutt: looks like his wife so all is good
fe3333au: I saw and congratulated on the thread ... but wow that is sooo cool
fe3333au: LOL
Skippyshutt: don't ever go in a birthing room
<Talk degenerated into topics like ... Birthing Rooms, Breast Milk, Allergies if bottle fed>
Unexpected
Skippyshutt: wanna talk a little bidness?
fe3333au: sure
Skippyshutt: MTDG
fe3333au: if you want
See if KISS also experiencing glitches
fe3333au: actually before we start official diplomat stuff
Skippyshutt: I can get sillier
fe3333au: Are you guys having problems with CivAssist?
Skippyshutt: you need to go the pub for shots?
fe3333au: Got shots in the freezer LOL
Skippyshutt: I haven't opened the save for MTDG lately
fe3333au: Could you ask it on the thread ... it won't read the save for us
Skippyshutt: i'm playing gotm and it works fine ... scout would have said something. its just you
fe3333au: I'm thinking it may be a g-mail problem cos it auto zips the save now
Skippyshutt: I'll ask scout when he signs in
fe3333au: thanks matey boy
Then I got sentimental
fe3333au: I've missed you guys
Skippyshutt: to bidness? us too, we luv u man
fe3333au: to bidness
Skippyshutt: wait, need to refill vodka
fe3333au: lol
Skippyshutt: I've explained rednecks or you know what they are?
fe3333au: yep ... we have them too
Skippyshutt: so I can be blunt and u won't file an action with Regent or Rik?
fe3333au: sure I will censor the report if you swear
Skippyshutt: <censored>, is that good enough?
fe3333au: worked for me ... but be gentler next time I wasn't really in the mood
Skippyshutt: rotfl
Finally to Business
Skippyshutt: anyway, bidness. what's up with MIA and nuts?
<Wow how do I anser this one ...coy approach me thinks>
fe3333au: nothing we are getting wine for ivory
Skippyshutt: they had that warrior wandering around. To quote dinsog, "panic in the streets" ... did I mention that I hate dinsog?
<That I didn't expect>
fe3333au: we let them wander around as long as they stayed out of our bounaries and then we had to let them wonder through cos they got trapped by a new city
<Digging a bit>
fe3333au: are they allowed to walk through your territory?
<Treasure>
Skippyshutt: no they disband it when we asked nicely
fe3333au: bad luck for them LOL
Skippyshutt: we're a bunch of paranoid idiots and grumpy old men
Changed subject to recent reading
fe3333au: LOL ... but I enjoy their Gazzette
Skippyshutt: me too. I place ads there
fe3333au: I saw
Back to Matters Abroad
fe3333au: You guys are really giving it to the explosive ones
Skippyshutt: you ain't seen nothin yet
fe3333au: I guess they are going to regret listening to Provo
Skippyshutt: we don't recognize that name in polite conversation
fe3333au: sorry I'll censor that later LOL
Skippyshutt: forgetta bout it
How dedicated to pest extermination are they?
fe3333au: are you giving them a chance to surrender?
Skippyshutt: why? ... should we?
fe3333au: it would probably spoil your fun
Have TNT tried to sue for peace?
fe3333au: have they asked you to stop and promised to be good boys?
Skippyshutt: trust thingy here. how many active players do you think they have?
Unexcected and not sure I know where this is going ... so coast a bit
fe3333au: I think they recently got a new player I think ... but I know donsig is turn taker and I think greekguy is president
Skippyshutt: that wasn't the question. I know they recruited 2 recently.
fe3333au: who sends the battle reports? Donsig?
Skippyshutt: scout
fe3333au: My answer is I don't really know ... only the two I mentioned
Skippyshutt: k
fe3333au: scout is KISS though
Skippyshutt: more than that ... they have more than 2 active
fe3333au: so what is your point?
Skippyshutt: not sure ... wanted to see what you know about them
fe3333au: donsig sends us the save and occasionally brags about military victories
Skippyshutt: LSD does strange things to the mind
fe3333au: oh that would explain their play style
KISS reaction to cartoons
fe3333au: did you like our cartoon about them?
Skippyshutt: rotfl, pmp
fe3333au: I think that it may have been a little confrontasional for them
Skippyshutt: <censored> happens ... theyll live
fe3333au: or will they LOL
KISS-MIA Peace
Skippyshutt: our current deal is up soon, any ideas?
fe3333au: KISS and MIA?
Skippyshutt: y
fe3333au: I like peace ...
Skippyshutt: works for me
fe3333au: what ideas you got?
Skippyshutt: I'm an idiot. i was just asking. I'll pass this to daghie
Daghie is KISS official contact
fe3333au: is dags the foreign minister type of person for KISS?
Skippyshutt: sort of in what passes for our "government"
Gaming Question
fe3333au: so a question do TNT and KISS exchange battle reports ... numbers of kills, etc?
Skippyshutt: scout tells us about what he kills. we have a thread devoted to that. we call it "roadkills". but we hate dinsog and tell him he needs a new haircut
fe3333au: LOL ... but I thought that we had to send reports to opponent and inform them who got killed and who lost when the unit defended
Skippyshutt: Think of who you're speaking with. Like I actually read the rules. lol
fe3333au: lol
Trying to get more info
fe3333au: all we can tell is that you got a couple of cities established and they are still there ... so things must be going well for you
Skippyshutt: as whomp would say, "do I look like tubs?"
fe3333au: LOL
Skippyshutt: let's go report to our respecitve groups. nice dancing with you
fe3333au: LOL well you got your own ivory now that you can shave onto your doughbolts ... yummy
Cya Later
fe3333au: I enjoyed it skippy ... have a good weekend
Skippyshutt: go shout a round at the pub
fe3333au: too early 11am here
Skippyshutt: bloody mary
fe3333au: yumm
Skippyshutt: spicy
fe3333au: I will tonight ... I'm going stir crazy at home
Skippyshutt: cya
fe3333au: cya
Well apart from the fact that KISS have not finished with TNT yet
The news that
I believe you mean that DNUT had to disband...
fe3333au
Deity
I Keep having this mental block 
... maybe it's because TNT are playing like bunch of Doughnuts ... or better yet a collective of Homer Simpsons
... maybe it's because TNT are playing like bunch of Doughnuts ... or better yet a collective of Homer Simpsons 
