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Koenigsberg -> Kaliningrad -> why still Russian ?

Discussion in 'World History' started by kiwitt, Sep 2, 2010.

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  1. kiwitt

    kiwitt Road to War Modder

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    Looking at the East Europe map, Koenigsberg was Prussian, then German, and now Russian. Not Polish or Baltic, this city seems stangely out of place.

    It was massively destroyed and only 50,000 Germans remained at the end of WWII, who were subsequently expelled. So it was not much of place anyhow, But the Russian's get another Baltic port.

    To me it just seems strange, when looking at old maps ...
     
  2. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    It's still Russian because the vast majority of the population, unsurprisingly, is Russian. And the Russians like keeping it, it lets them mess with the Poles and screw around in the Baltic.
     
  3. red_elk

    red_elk Deity

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    Because the city became part of RSFSR after WW2 (as you quoted), and when USSR collapsed, Russia inherited all territories of former RSFSR.
     
  4. vogtmurr

    vogtmurr Emperor

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    :lol: yeah like really. The last fragment of east prussia, but I dont think the Poles want Germany to have it either.
    edit: thats ok I dont think Germany wants it anymore
     
  5. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    Some Germans do, but they're fringe. There's also a group that wants Silesia back.
     
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    ZeletDude The Lion

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    There are also groups that want the Monarchy back and the territories from Wiemar Germany back.
     
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    NovaKart شێری گەورە

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    I was offered a job there recently but I didn't feel like waiting 2 months for a Russian work visa. Anyway, I looked up some info and apparently the town has a really high HIV rate. The guy I talked to there did say that Kaliningrad was more European influenced than the rest of Russia and that people were generally more open-minded.
     
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    madviking north american scum

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    My dad's side is from the area. He lived on a farm in Sovetsk, better known as Tilsit, and even better known as that place where Napoleon and Alexander I signed some papers.
     
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    Heretic_Cata We're gonna live forever

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  10. kiwitt

    kiwitt Road to War Modder

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    For me, it does appear like a "War Prize"
     
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    Well earnt in that case IMO.
     
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    Leoreth 心の怪盗団 Moderator

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    It should be noted that there's quite an irrational Polish fear that Germany might want to "buy back" the Kaliningrad area. It crept up again when Germany and Russia decided to start their gas pipeline project through the Baltic Sea.

    The people I'm really sorry for are the Russians who live there. The region seems to be in a sorry state economically, far away from its motherland and surrounded by rather hostile EU members.
     
  13. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Justice guaranteed

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    The Russians can keep their War Prize, though they don't deserve it after they put up that monsterosity on the site of Konigsberg Castle.

    From this:



    To this:



    :shake:
     
  14. red_elk

    red_elk Deity

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    Wiki says local people call it "buried robot". :)
     
  15. Domen

    Domen Misico dux Vandalorum

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    Who said Germany. Maybe Lithuania. Or Poland. :mischief:

    It really looks like robot's head. :D

    Edit:

    Wait, wait! - was that Kaliningrad where they were making the "War of the Worlds" movie then? :)
     
  16. say1988

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    Honestly, I prefer the latter.
     
  17. red_elk

    red_elk Deity

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    If they will manage to win it as a War Prize, why not?
     
  18. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    My guess is they also want it because it's a port that won't freeze over during winter. Aside from that, it doesn't have much strategic use that I can see.
     
  19. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    Borders Poland. From time to time the Russian military conducts exercises there to troll the Poles, sometimes in conjunction with the Belarussians.
     
  20. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    More accurately, when the Soviet Union collapsed, the now-independent RSFR reformed as the Russian Federation.
     
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