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Kosova Republik - New Nation of Kosova as a Playable Civilization!

Discussion in 'Civ4 - New Civilizations' started by Shqype, Feb 17, 2008.

  1. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni
    In light of the Declaration of Independence by the Kosovar Prime Minister Hashim Thaçi on February 17, 2008, I present to you the newest European state: Kosova!

    Description: Kosova Republik
    Short Desc: Kosova
    Adjective: Kosovar

    Starting Technologies: The Wheel and Hunting

    Unique Unit: Ushtari UÇK-së (replaces Marine)
    --25 Strength, Woodsman I + Guerilla I promotions, Amphibious promotion removed

    Unique Building: Kulle (replaces Factory)
    --Gives +4 experience to new gunpowder units

    Leaders: Rugova (Philosophical, Creative, favors Free Speech); Thaçi (Protective, Organized, favors Nationhood)

    Kosovar City List:
    Spoiler :
    --Fushë Kosovë

    Thanks to everybody that supported the cause for a free and independent Kosova. Rrnoft Kosova e Pamvarun - Long Live Independent Kosova!

    Link to Download Database: Kosova Republik Modular v1.0

    Historical Article: Is Kosovo Serbia? We Ask a Historian
  2. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni

    Here you can see the 3 available flags - President Rugova's suggestion for Dardania, the official flag of Kosova as adopted by the Parliament after the Declaration of Independence, and the official Kosova flag as a bicolor decal in true Civ 4 fashion:
  3. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni
    Full Text for the Declaration of Independence of Kosova:
    Spoiler :
    Full text: Kosovo declaration
    Here is the text of Kosovo's declaration of independence, signed in parliament by Speaker Jakup Krasniqi, Prime Minister Hashim Thaci and President Fatmir Sejdiu:

    Convened in an extraordinary meeting on February 17, 2008, in Pristina, the capital of Kosovo,

    Answering the call of the people to build a society that honours human dignity and affirms the pride and purpose of its citizens,

    Committed to confront the painful legacy of the recent past in a spirit of reconciliation and forgiveness,

    Dedicated to protecting, promoting and honouring the diversity of our people,

    Reaffirming our wish to become fully integrated into the Euro-Atlantic family of democracies,

    Observing that Kosovo is a special case arising from Yugoslavia's non-consensual breakup and is not a precedent for any other situation,

    Recalling the years of strife and violence in Kosovo, that disturbed the conscience of all civilized people,

    Grateful that in 1999 the world intervened, thereby removing Belgrade's governance over Kosovo and placing Kosovo under United Nations interim administration,

    Proud that Kosovo has since developed functional, multiethnic institutions of democracy that express freely the will of our citizens,

    Recalling the years of internationally sponsored negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina over the question of our future political status,

    Regretting that no mutually acceptable status outcome was possible, in spite of the good-faith engagement of our leaders,

    Confirming that the recommendations of UN Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari provide Kosovo with a comprehensive framework for its future development and are in line with the highest European standards of human rights and good governance,

    Determined to see our status resolved in order to give our people clarity about their future, move beyond the conflicts of the past and realize the full democratic potential of our society,

    Honouring all the men and women who made great sacrifices to build a better future for Kosovo,

    We, the democratically elected leaders of our people, hereby declare Kosovo to be an independent and sovereign state. This declaration reflects the will of our people and it is in full accordance with the recommendations of UN Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari and his Comprehensive Proposal for the Kosovo Status Settlement.

    We declare Kosovo to be a democratic, secular and multiethnic republic, guided by the principles of non-discrimination and equal protection under the law. We shall protect and promote the rights of all communities in Kosovo and create the conditions necessary for their effective participation in political and decision-making processes.

    We accept fully the obligations for Kosovo contained in the Ahtisaari Plan, and welcome the framework it proposes to guide Kosovo in the years ahead. We shall implement in full those obligations including through priority adoption of the legislation included in its Annex XII, particularly those that protect and promote the rights of communities and their members.

    We shall adopt as soon as possible a Constitution that enshrines our commitment to respect the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all our citizens, particularly as defined by the European Convention on Human Rights. The Constitution shall incorporate all relevant principles of the Ahtisaari Plan and be adopted through a democratic and deliberative process.

    We welcome the international community's continued support of our democratic development through international presences established in Kosovo on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999). We invite and welcome an international civilian presence to supervise our implementation of the Ahtisaari Plan, and a European Union-led rule of law mission. We also invite and welcome the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation to retain the leadership role of the international military presence in Kosovo and to implement responsibilities assigned to it under UN Security Council resolution 1244 (1999) and the Ahtisaari Plan, until such time as Kosovo institutions are capable of assuming these responsibilities. We shall cooperate fully with these presences to ensure Kosovo's future peace, prosperity and stability.

    6. For reasons of culture, geography and history, we believe our future lies with the European family. We therefore declare our intention to take all steps necessary to facilitate full membership in the European Union as soon as feasible and implement the reforms required for European and Euro-Atlantic integration.

    7. We express our deep gratitude to the United Nations for the work it has done to help us recover and rebuild from war and build institutions of democracy. We are committed to working constructively with the United Nations as it continues its work in the period ahead.

    8. With independence comes the duty of responsible membership in the international community. We accept fully this duty and shall abide by the principles of the United Nations Charter, the Helsinki Final Act, other acts of the Organization on Security and Cooperation in Europe, and the international legal obligations and principles of international comity that mark the relations among states. Kosovo shall have its international borders as set forth in Annex VIII of the Ahtisaari Plan, and shall fully respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all our neighbours. Kosovo shall also refrain from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations.

    9. We hereby undertake the international obligations of Kosovo, including those concluded on our behalf by the United Nations Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) and treaty and other obligations of the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia to which we are bound as a former constituent part, including the Vienna Conventions on diplomatic and consular relations. We shall cooperate fully with the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. We intend to seek membership in international organizations, in which Kosovo shall seek to contribute to the pursuit of international peace and stability.

    10. Kosovo declares its commitment to peace and stability in our region of southeast Europe. Our independence brings to an end the process of Yugoslavia's violent dissolution. While this process has been a painful one, we shall work tirelessly to contribute to a reconciliation that would allow southeast Europe to move beyond the conflicts of our past and forge new links of regional cooperation. We shall therefore work together with our neighbours to advance a common European future.

    11. We express, in particular, our desire to establish good relations with all our neighbours, including the Republic of Serbia with whom we have deep historical, commercial and social ties that we seek to develop further in the near future. We shall continue our efforts to contribute to relations of friendship and cooperation with the Republic of Serbia, while promoting reconciliation among our people.

    12. We hereby affirm, clearly, specifically, and irrevocably, that Kosovo shall be legally bound to comply with the provisions contained in this Declaration, including, especially, the obligations for it under the Ahtisaari Plan. In all of these matters, we shall act consistent with principles of international law and resolutions of the Security Council of the United Nations, including resolution 1244 (1999). We declare publicly that all states are entitled to rely upon this declaration, and appeal to them to extend to us their support and friendship.

    Story from BBC NEWS:

    "Kosovo MPs Proclaim Independence:"
    Spoiler :
    Seven Western countries said it was quite clear the situation had moved on.

    Tens of thousands of people had thronged the streets of Kosovo's capital, Pristina, since the morning.

    When news came of the declaration in parliament, the centre of the city erupted with fireworks, firecrackers and celebratory gunfire.

    Crowds surrounded an independence monument which was unveiled during the evening and signed by Mr Thaci and Kosovo President Fatmir Sejdiu.

    Ethnic Albanians staged noisy celebrations in the Macedonian capital, Skopje, and in Brussels, outside the headquarters of Nato and the European Union.

    Hand grenades

    The first sign of trouble in Kosovo came in the ethnic Serbian area of the flashpoint town of Mitrovica, where two hand grenades were thrown at international community buildings.

    One exploded at a UN court building while the other failed to go off outside offices expected to house the new EU mission.

    In Belgrade, demonstrators threw stones and broke windows at the US embassy as riot police tried to fend off a crowd of around 1,000 people.

    The protesters, described as gangs of youths, also attacked a McDonald's restaurant, the Serbian government building and the embassy of Slovenia which currently holds the EU presidency.

    Several Serbian ministers had travelled to Kosovo to show their support for the ethnic Serbian minority.

    Kosovo's 10 Serbian MPs boycotted the assembly session in protest at the declaration.

    Serbia's Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica blamed the US which he said was "ready to violate the international order for its own military interests".

    "Today, this policy of force thinks that it has triumphed by establishing a false state," Mr Kostunica said.

    Search for equality

    The declaration was approved with a show of hands. No-one opposed it.

    "We have waited for this day for a very long time," Mr Thaci told parliament before reading the text, paying tribute to those who had died on the road to independence.

    From today, he said, Kosovo was "proud, independent and free".

    "The independence of Kosovo marks the end of the dissolution of the former Yugoslavia," the prime minister said.

    He said Kosovo would be built in accordance with the UN plan drawn up by former Finnish President, Martti Ahtisaari.

    The international military and civilian presence - also envisaged by the Ahtisaari plan - was welcome, the PM said.

    There should be no fear of discrimination in new Kosovo, he said, vowing to eradicate any such practices.

    The declaration was signed by all the MPs present.

    Russian protest

    The UN Security Council went into emergency session on Sunday evening after Russia called for the United Nations to declare the Kosovo declaration illegal.

    UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called on all sides to keep to their commitments and refrain from violence.

    Russia's UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin told reporters that the resolution allowing the UN to administer Kosovo since 1999 was still in force so there could be no legal basis for any change in status.

    But seven Western states said the UN Security Council could not agree on Kosovo's future and all attempt to reach a negotiated outcome had been exhausted.

    "We regret that the Security Council cannot agree on the way forward, but this impasse has been clear for many months," Belgium's UN ambassador Johan Verbeke said.

    He gave the statement on behalf of Belgium, France, Italy, the UK, Croatia, Germany, and the United States.

    Limitations of independence

    The declaration approved by Kosovo's parliament contains limitations on Kosovan independence as outlined in Mr Ahtisaari's plan.

    Kosovo, or part of it, cannot join any other country. It will be supervised by an international presence. Its armed forces will be limited and it will make strong provisions for Serb minority protection.

    Recognition by a number of EU states, including the UK and other major countries, will come on Monday after a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels, says the BBC's Paul Reynolds.

    The US is also expected to announce its recognition on Monday.

    Three EU states - Cyprus, Romania and Slovakia - have told other EU governments that they will not recognise Kosovo, says our correspondent.

    Russia's foreign ministry has indicated that Western recognition of an independent Kosovo could have implications for the Georgian breakaway provinces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

    Story from BBC NEWS:

    "Kosovo Celebrates 'Dream Come True':"
    Spoiler :
    Kosovo celebrates 'dream come true'
    Helen Fawkes
    BBC news, Pristina

    Thousands of ethnic Albanians packed into Pristina to celebrate what they regard as the birth of Europe's newest country.

    Kosovo's capital's main street was a sea of red with most people wearing and waving the flag of Albania.

    Despite the bitterly cold weather, many arrived hours before the declaration, viewing this as a defining moment for Kosovo.

    ''This is a climax, I can't believe I am seeing my dream come true,'' said Driton Ademi, a 23-year-old student.

    The declaration of independence was made in Kosovo's parliament by the Prime Minister Hashim Thaci.

    Outside there were no loud speakers or big screen for the crowds, so when the historic announcement was made it took some time to filter through.

    'What we fought for'

    Then there was a wave of excitement.

    A few guns were fired into the air, butt most of noisy celebrations came from firecrackers and fireworks. Glasses of champagne and slices of cake were handed amongst the crowd.

    The stars and stripes along with union jacks were dotted among the revellers.

    Kosovo's independence has been co-ordinated with the United States and the European Union.

    ''Thank you USA, thank you. I am free of Serbia, my grandchildren are free of Serbia.,' said 72-year-old Beqir Peci who had a large American flag draped over his shoulders.

    Independence day has also been a time for reflection.

    A decade ago thousands of ethnic Albanians were killed in a conflict with Serb forces.

    ''This is what we fought for. We knew we would achieve what we wanted,'' said 51-year-old teacher Rifat Ademi.

    ''Albanians have gone through horror to come to this point. We thank everyone who supported us. We thank United States of America, United Kingdom, Europe and everyone,'' said Teuta Bokshi, a housewife from Pristina.

    For many, Sunday marks an exciting new beginning.

    Just after the declaration of independence, Kosovo's new blue and yellow flag was unveiled.

    ''I know what my identity is. I feel ecstatic that I will now have a name and that's Kosovan, from the Republic of Kosovo,'' said 20-year-old student Besmir Kuqi.

    Just a couple of hours after the declaration, the new Kosovo flag could be seen flying proudly on the streets of this new European capital.
    Story from BBC NEWS:

    Independence Celebrations Around the World:
    Lausanne, Switzerland:

    Mitrovica, Kosova:

    Prishtina, Kosova:

    Times Square, New York, NY:

    Times Square, New York, NY:

    Strausberg, France:
  4. esnaz

    esnaz King

    May 7, 2006
  5. Quantumf8

    Quantumf8 Warlord

    Jul 26, 2006
    hey, I heard the news earlier today! looking forward to this!
  6. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni
    Alright guys, it's been updated. Download link in the first post. Enjoy, and tell me what ya think!
  7. hrochland

    hrochland Prince

    Apr 9, 2006
    Czech Kingdom
    I see, in BtS Kosovo is now allowable. It is good message :thumbsup:
  8. Kao'chai

    Kao'chai Newbie in Modding

    May 24, 2007
    Didn't expect for a new independent country , right now!!
  9. theKurgen

    theKurgen Warlord

    Oct 18, 2007
    Basket case of a nation if there ever will be one!
  10. Marcus Septim

    Marcus Septim Chieftain

    Feb 17, 2008
    Long live Kosovo and all its people...including me :p whos not in kosovo though
  11. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni
    It used to be, but now it's removed from Serb leadership, so it isn't anymore.

  12. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni

    Countries that have recognized or Announced the recognition of Republic of Kosova

    Formally/Informally recognized by 37 out of 192 United Nations (UN) members (which make up 69.4% of the World's Total Nominal GDP)

    Formally Recognized by 36 countries
    (Formally recognized by 18 European Union (EU) Member States)

    Gracias!!! Costa Rica (February 17, 2008)
    Thank You!!! United States (February 18, 2008)
    Merci!!! France (EU) (February 18, 2008)
    Tashakkur! Merci!!! Afghanistan (February 18, 2008)
    Faleminderit!!! Albania (February 18, 2008)
    Tesekkürler!!! Turkey (February 18, 2008)
    Thank You!!! United Kingdom (EU) (February 18, 2008)
    Thank You!!! Australia (February 19, 2008)
    Merci! Jërëjëf!!! Senegal (February 19, 2008)
    Terima kasih!!! Malaysia (February 20, 2008)
    Danke!!! Germany (EU) (February 20, 2008)
    Paldies!!! Latvia (EU) (February 20, 2008)
    Tak!!! Denmark (EU) (February 21, 2008)
    Tänan!!! Estonia (EU) (February 21, 2008)
    Grazie Mille!!! Italy (EU) (February 21, 2008)
    Merci! Danke!!! Luxembourg (EU) (February 21, 2008)
    Gracias!!! Peru (February 22, 2008)
    Dank u! Merci! !!! Belgium (EU) (February 25, 2008)
    Dziekujemy!!! Poland (EU) (February 26, 2008)
    Danke! Merci! Grazie! Grazia figt!!!! Switzerland (February 27, 2008)
    Danke schön!!! Austria (EU) (February 27, 2008)
    Go raibh maith agat! Thank You!!! Ireland (EU) (February 29, 2008)
    Tack så mycket!!! Sweden (EU) (March 4, 2008)
    Dank u wel!!! Netherlands (EU) (March 4, 2008)
    Takk fyrir!!! Iceland (March 5, 2008)
    Hvala lepa!!! Slovenia (EU) (March 5, 2008)
    Kiitos! Tack!!! Finland (EU) (March 7, 2008)
    どうも有り難うございます!!! Japan (March 18, 2008)
    Thank You! Merci!!! Canada (March 18, 2008)
    Merci beaucoup!!! Monaco (March 19, 2008)
    Nagyon köszönjük!!! Hungary (EU) (March 19, 2008)
    Hvala lijepa!!! Croatia (March 19, 2008)
    Много Благодаря!!! Bulgaria (EU) (March 20, 2008)
    Dankeschön!!! Liechtenstein (March 25, 2008)
    국민들에계 고맙습니다!!! Korea, Rep. (March 28, 2008)
    Tusen takk!!! Norway (March 28, 2008)

    Recognition procedure has been initiated by 1 country
    Process awaiting approval by parliament, president or other high level institution.

    Labai achiu!!! Lithuania (EU)
  13. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni
    U.S. Recognizes Kosovo as Independent State
    Secretary Condoleezza Rice
    Washington, DC
    February 18, 2008

    The United States has today formally recognized Kosovo as a sovereign and independent state. We congratulate the people of Kosovo on this historic occasion.

    President Bush has responded affirmatively to a request from Kosovo to establish diplomatic relations between our two countries. The establishment of these relations will reaffirm the special ties of friendship that have linked together the people of the United States and Kosovo.

    Nine years ago, the international community, led by NATO, acted to end brutal attacks on the Kosovar Albanian population. This timely international intervention ended the violence, leading to a United Nations Security Council decision to suspend Belgrade’s governance and place Kosovo under interim UN administration. Since that time Kosovo has built its own democratic institutions separate from Belgrade’s control. Last year, UN Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari developed a plan to build a democratic and multi-ethnic Kosovo and recommended Kosovo be independent, subject to a period of international supervision. In light of the conflicts of the 1990s, independence is the only viable option to promote stability in the region. The United States supports the Ahtisaari Plan and will work with its international partners to help implement it.

    We welcome the commitments Kosovo made in its declaration of independence to implement the Ahtisaari Plan, to embrace multi-ethnicity as a fundamental principle of good governance, and to welcome a period of international supervision.

    The unusual combination of factors found in the Kosovo situation -- including the context of Yugoslavia's breakup, the history of ethnic cleansing and crimes against civilians in Kosovo, and the extended period of UN administration -- are not found elsewhere and therefore make Kosovo a special case. Kosovo cannot be seen as a precedent for any other situation in the world today.

    The United States takes this opportunity to reaffirm our friendship with Serbia, an ally during two world wars. We invite Serbia's leaders to work together with the United States and our partners to accomplish shared goals, such as the protection of the rights, security, culture and livelihood of the Serb community in Kosovo.

    As Kosovo today begins its life as an independent state, the United States pledges to continue to be its close friend and partner.


  14. Quantumf8

    Quantumf8 Warlord

    Jul 26, 2006
    I'm just worried that the kosovars will go ahead and do to the serbs what the serbs did to them, or worse, their whole battle wfor independence will end with albania absorbing them, which I suppose would be soemthing not that bad for the Kosovars...

    Anyways, onto the mod, Very good job, the Kulle could use some sort of custom art, but eh, I'm not expecting anyone to make it, since it replaces the factory anyways it doesn't really matter. I do take issue with the KLA as a unique unit, seems a bit odd for a group that committed such atrocities as a paramilitary organization to be a UU, I suppose the same can be said for the irish republicans however so... eh

    Anyways, great job! and good job honoring this historic moment!

    EDIT: forgot this bit, have you thought about adding Ode to Joy as a diplomacy music for this civ? or are you waiting to see if they choose a different anthem?
  15. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni
    To address your concerns:

    Thaçi, the Prime Minister, and also Sejdiu, the President, have reiterated that they will protect the rights of the Serbs, and all minorities, in the new state. "There should be no fear of discrimination in new Kosovo, he said, vowing to eradicate any such practices."

    The thing with Thaçi is that he's a man of action. He doesn't just say something, he actually does it. This is one of the things that earned him great respect. He's committed to the future of his country and will do whatever he can to ensure it runs smoothly and grows into a democratic, respectable nation.

    I'm sure most Kosovars realize that this is a new beginning. While the violence against Serbs in the past is regrettable, you've got to remember that it was motivated by revenge, and fueled by the uncertainty of limbo that Kosova was placed in: a bully has pushed them for years and years, and given the chance, they gave that bully what was coming to him. But now things are different. In addition to the clear aims of the government to put an end to discrimination and acts of inter-ethnic violence, you will have the European Union with their force of peace keepers and civil authorities to protect the Serbs in particular, just in case.

    The only problem is that the Serbs are extremely provocative, and will do what they can to provoke violence in order to make themselves look like victims. They have a history of doing this, including desecrating their own churches and infrastructure, as well as killing their own people, and blaming it on the Albanians. To a Serbian ultranationalist, murdering a few innocent Serbs is nothing if it will be able to place the blame on Albanians and subsequently gain popular opinion towards the Serbian ultranationalist cause.

    Since independence, the only violence in Kosova was by angry Serbian youths which threw grenades at United Nations and European Union buildings, and attacked a McDonalds, the American embassy in Belgrade, and the Slovenian embassy as well.

    "The day after scenes of wild celebrations by Kosovan Albanians on the streets of Pristina, the Kosovo capital, there was a very different mood in Banja Luka, the capital of the Bosnian Serb Republic, where a protest march turned violent as demonstrators threw stones and eggs at police stopping them breaking into the US Consulate."

    Regarding Mitrovica: “If the Albanians try to cross the bridge, we demand from the Serbian Army to use all available means to stop them,” Jaksic said.

    The Albanians are committed to making this new multi-ethnic state work, but the Serbs are not, despite Thaçi's attempts to reach out to them and to protect their rights.

    Secondly, Albania will not absorb Kosova. Kosova is it's own new nation, and although once a part of Albania, and still ethnically Albanian, it will remain that way. The Kosovars would rather start from scratch with their own new state instead of being an augmentation of Albania which has many problems of its own. Albania is Europe's poorest country, and Kosova will not share in that fate. Plus, the Ahtisaari plan has clearly forbidden the union of Kosova with any other country, and it will remain that way. Albania and Kosova can be together when they both integrate into the European Union.

    The Kulle does need some custom art, and I'll look into getting it. The important thing is that the idea was there, the art can come later. :)

    The KLA fought for Kosovar independence from Serbia, and they fought the Serbian paramilitary organizations that were committing genocide against the Albanian populations. The KLA did not go after innocent civilians like the Serbian Army did, but instead attacked military targets and (in some isolated cases) other Serbs that committed atrocities against the Albanians.

    The US UU, the Navy SEAL, or any other US military unit, and all military units of all Western countries also have their individual acts of "atrocities" against various different people in different circumstances, but they are not defined by those acts and are suitable as UUs. Some members of the KLA may have done some questionable things, as some members of ALL military organizations throughout the world have done (especially the Russians which continue to commit human rights abuses to this day), but they do not represent the KLA and what it stood for.

    Thanks for your concerns and your criticisms, Quantumf8. This is truly a historic moment, and I'm glad I was alive to see this day!
  16. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni
  17. Huayna Capac357

    Huayna Capac357 Deity

    Jun 30, 2007
    Boston, Massachusetts
    Yay! Vive le Kosovo!!!!!!

    Congratulations, guys! :goodjob:

    Maybe you guys can join the EU now :mischief:
  18. Quantumf8

    Quantumf8 Warlord

    Jul 26, 2006
    I can understand the anger of the serbians it'd be like if the confederate states declared themselves independent and the world supported them. However, I understand that a lot of that anger is residual from the kosovo war. It's nice to know that the Ahtisaari Plan forbids kosovo's integration into another state.

    I'm still a bit worried about violence against the serbs, given the strong KLA presence in kosovo, but you've done a good bit to assuage my worries. and I've got to admit, I'm happy to be alive to see this historic moment too. How often do you get to see a New Country be formed? You have rogue states all the time, but a new state? Wow!

    to quote huyana above me, "Vive le Kosovo!!!!!!"
  19. civfan01

    civfan01 Chieftain

    Jan 29, 2008
    I needed this civ...because I was planing on making a scenario about Serb-Albanian war (On Kosovo). Not that I want it in real life, but it just seemed like a great idea for a scenario. A classic cold war like scenario with Serbia backed up by Russia and Kosovo (and Albania) backed up by USA. I'll start working on it as soon as i think out how it would work.
    Maybe like this:
    Serbia moves its regular forces into Kosovo, and forces its way through UN forces. Then Albanians start a guerilla campaign. In the meantime USA forces come to support Albanians, and for the end Russians come to support Serbia. I will have to work on details to make it as realistic as possible, still avoiding open conflict between USA and Russia, because i don't want a :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: end. I'd like something like a Vietnam war.
  20. Shqype

    Shqype Shqyptar

    Nov 15, 2005
    New York + Shqypni
    Sounds interesting to me, and dangerously realistic.

    One of my "future projects" is to reconstruct the bloody Yugoslav wars in detail.

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