Large Mafia Game: Highway to Hell [In Play]
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Askthepizzaguy
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Presently, I believe Joecoolyo is not cult. Observe Nictel's switch off of KFC and onto Coolyo. It wouldn't have been a necessary bus attempt, after all, KFC was SK, so Nictel wasn't trying to spare KFC. No, that was a legit attempt on Coolio's life, so presently, Joecoolyo is not cult, or is at the very least not its leader.
I realize saying this is going to get me killed, but you have strong evidence that suggests Coolyo is not affiliated with Nictel.
The reason why a SK is in the game for balance is because cults are notoriously overpowered. Zack knows this. The SK acts as a vigilante, allowing for chaos to occur. The chaos evens the odds, making it not a slam dunk that the cult will just gobble up the game. The SK and the other kills present a challenge to the cult, their recruits can get picked off just as quickly as they can recruit.
With only one kill in the night, the odds are now actually pretty good that the cult will go hogwild. Nictel himself is trying pretty hard to scum hunt, or at least appear that way.... way more so than usual. It's ironic, that being scum actually makes you behave more townie.
The remaining kills are the only real threat posed to the cult. That is why I think Nictel is trying really hard to catch scum. Not only does it direct lynches away from himself and his cult leader, but it could potentially make him look townie, and also, remove the biggest threat to his cause.
Bravo. Bravissimo, in fact. It's just a shame you had to flinch like you just sat on a hot iron poker. I would have called it a stunning performance otherwise. Even if I could lynch you this round, all that does is stall your efforts. You won't even be moving backwards unless some of you die at night or you fail to recruit.
I'm hoping Zack made non-recruitables in this game, because the odds of victory are quite long otherwise. I hate to say it, but the best tactical move could be to not even vote and just wait to be recruited. That's just so gutless.... it's not to my taste. I will resist it kicking and screaming, you know.
I'm Batman, Nictel. And not just any Batman, I am THE Batman.
Actually, now that you ask, the archangels are just a theory I had. It's heaven and hell, and there's men in the middle. I haven't decided whether the forces of heaven are good or evil from my perspective yet. Although I'm sure I'll find out tonight.
I swear to god, if you convert me, I will not even vote. I am so tired of that.
I realize saying this is going to get me killed, but you have strong evidence that suggests Coolyo is not affiliated with Nictel.
The reason why a SK is in the game for balance is because cults are notoriously overpowered. Zack knows this. The SK acts as a vigilante, allowing for chaos to occur. The chaos evens the odds, making it not a slam dunk that the cult will just gobble up the game. The SK and the other kills present a challenge to the cult, their recruits can get picked off just as quickly as they can recruit.
With only one kill in the night, the odds are now actually pretty good that the cult will go hogwild. Nictel himself is trying pretty hard to scum hunt, or at least appear that way.... way more so than usual. It's ironic, that being scum actually makes you behave more townie.
The remaining kills are the only real threat posed to the cult. That is why I think Nictel is trying really hard to catch scum. Not only does it direct lynches away from himself and his cult leader, but it could potentially make him look townie, and also, remove the biggest threat to his cause.
Bravo. Bravissimo, in fact. It's just a shame you had to flinch like you just sat on a hot iron poker. I would have called it a stunning performance otherwise. Even if I could lynch you this round, all that does is stall your efforts. You won't even be moving backwards unless some of you die at night or you fail to recruit.
I'm hoping Zack made non-recruitables in this game, because the odds of victory are quite long otherwise. I hate to say it, but the best tactical move could be to not even vote and just wait to be recruited. That's just so gutless.... it's not to my taste. I will resist it kicking and screaming, you know.
Nictel said:
I'm Batman, Nictel. And not just any Batman, I am THE Batman.
Actually, now that you ask, the archangels are just a theory I had. It's heaven and hell, and there's men in the middle. I haven't decided whether the forces of heaven are good or evil from my perspective yet. Although I'm sure I'll find out tonight.
I swear to god, if you convert me, I will not even vote. I am so tired of that.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
On further reflection, now I understand why there is the heaven mechanic. The way the innocents can win, even against a cult/sk combo, is because those who die while still vanilla innocent (unrecruited) may be able to continue voting. That way there is sufficient voting strength at the end to resist the cult.
Because the only way I could figure you'd gain salvation points as a vanilla innocent would be from your vote, your vote would have to be lodged against the forces of satan, I think, to gain you salvation points. If you lodge a vote against the forces of heaven, possible negative points. It's also possible that being satan-aligned will bring you negative points.
Also Nictel, did you just admit that you were a cultist? It is appreciated. It's so nice to have one's suspicions confirmed.
A look at your posts thusfar only brings up candidates I think aren't cult. I still have no reading on who your master is. This is where lack of townie voting really stings my glutes, because if some had been voting for Nictel, I could probably pinpoint the leader just from a few days' analysis.
There's nothing I can do when people don't post. I am not actually psychic.
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Because the only way I could figure you'd gain salvation points as a vanilla innocent would be from your vote, your vote would have to be lodged against the forces of satan, I think, to gain you salvation points. If you lodge a vote against the forces of heaven, possible negative points. It's also possible that being satan-aligned will bring you negative points.
Also Nictel, did you just admit that you were a cultist? It is appreciated. It's so nice to have one's suspicions confirmed.
A look at your posts thusfar only brings up candidates I think aren't cult. I still have no reading on who your master is. This is where lack of townie voting really stings my glutes, because if some had been voting for Nictel, I could probably pinpoint the leader just from a few days' analysis.
There's nothing I can do when people don't post. I am not actually psychic.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
Scooby Doo says that you flinched.
The effort is to get me lynched today, but you weren't to risk your vote unless it was needed to put me over the top.
I also noticed that you agreed, based on a seemingly completely out of the blue observation, that was completely invalid as it was based on absolutely ridiculous reasoning (Gangland Wars, and you KNOW that was a bad example), that I was scummy earlier.
You know what perfect information syndrome is, Tailless? It's when you reveal through your actions that you are aware of more than you're revealing.
You and Nictel, and perhaps others, already began tossing out suspicion on me (based on zero, I might add) as one, earlier on in the game. But, you waited and waited to put some weight behind it. You've been keeping out of the spotlight.
But, you reveal through your actions that you and Nictel and others are acting as one. And the kicker is, your caution is what makes it even more telling. Because you didn't toss your nuts in a bowl and actually campaign against me head-on, you waited in the wings and tossed some paranoia at me HERE, which was just bad timing on your part.
Nictel is the front-line man. That's why he's not even bothering to defend himself against my correct accusation of him. It's good for you if he dies, because he's not the big kahuna. He dies, the big k just keeps on recruitin'. That's a winning strategy.
No he can risk himself because it's no biggie. In fact, playing the part of a distraction, he does very well for himself.
If it weren't for those two posts, the absolutely atrocious and entirely scummy accusation that I'm behaving like I did in Gangland wars, which immediately set off my WTH meter when you posted it, combined with the very suspect timing of your vote this round, shows me that you'd rather me gone, but would not want to lead the way. And if the vote weren't contentious today, you would not have even risked yourself.
If I am not mistaken, Tailless, those two posts show that you are Nictel's lord and master, the prince of darkness. They are subtle flinches, but they are extremely telling.
If I am even remotely right on this, you guys picked the wrong fight today.
I'm not going to move off of Nictel unless I can get some consensus on Tailless. But of the folks who are:
- Voting
- Not inactive enough to draw Zack's ire
- Behaving in cahoots with Nictel when it matters
Tailless is not only acting incredibly scummy, but in such a way that you just know he's hiding something bigger than Nictel is.
If I am right, I demand full and unequivocal bragging rights. You don't mess with this.
I'm sorry but you aren't going to get your bragging rights.
That makes as much sense as... well, it doesn't. I think you overestimate me.
I'm not going to pretend I know who the baddies are and make long posts of convoluted accusations left and right that seems to make sense at first glance but which doesn't really hold water when you think about it.
That makes as much sense as... well, it doesn't. I think you overestimate me.
I'm not going to pretend I know who the baddies are and make long posts of convoluted accusations left and right that seems to make sense at first glance but which doesn't really hold water when you think about it.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
Nictel, you were there. What did Greyblades say when I told him what a stunning performance he had just pulled off as mafia in The Mafia's Comeback? He immediately played the modesty card.
Tailless, you're coming off a near-victory in the Batman game based on you nailing/killing 2 scums and nearly defeating a third. You sell yourself far too short. I don't buy it, especially when you SIMULTANEOUSLY claim to know when I am acting scummy by citing another game.
Which is it, Tailless? Am I overestimating you, or are you overestimating you?
I guarantee you, the reasoning you put in for the "Gangland Wars"/same behavior accusation was more convoluted and I even explained why.
Nice to see you show up when I mention your name, btw. Superb and coincidental timing I am sure.
I better stop before confirmation bias clouds my judgment, but honestly, I would have bought this a bit more if it wasn't posted almost immediately after I mentioned you by name. That's very flinchy, mister now-five-posts.
Overestimating, definitely. I read people's post and follow my own hunches. That's it.
Nice to see you show up when I mention your name, btw. Superb and coincidental timing I am sure.
Or I'm just in the right timezone.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
And what is your hunch telling you now, that Nictel has all but admitted his cult status by confirming my suspicions on him?
You're more concerned with deflecting my accusation on you than placing your vote on an admitted scumbag.
I notice you didn't comment on ANYTHING I had to say until I pointed fingers at you. No opinion at all on Nictel? Fancy that.
Or I'm just in the right timezone.
A quick search of your posts reveals that while you generally post between 1AM and 11AM my time, you also post in the PM.
Timezone has nothing to do with it, I feel. You were reading this whole exchange and were lurking. You only spoke up when I started pointing fingers at you personally.
That's a bad sign, TK. It means you're not really scum hunting, you're just defending.
That still doesn't clear you though.
I guess I am.
Well you see I was busy with something else and I fire up CFC just in time to see your accusations...
Contrary to popular belief I actually do have a life outside of CFC, albeit one of a very limited scope, but still one.
Ill test the hypothesis as well. Nictel
Kennigit
proud 2 boxer
Better than anything I have so far...unvote; vote Nictel.
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
Unvote; Vote: Nictel
Yeah I think ATPG is a better candidate today now, if he dies and goes to heaven that's far safer than any alternative. Though Nictel does look worse than Joecoolyo at this point for the follow up. But that's way too much distraction on an unsubstantiated hypothesis about a cult that I think doesn't add up unless someone has more info as far as night actions, role reveals etc... to share. Plus reading over the thread I don't trust choxorn, Arakhor's, or others' responses to him - he has had too many supporters for no reason as well.
Such lies, you and ATPG both need to go. His theory makes no sense unless he has a non-vanilla Innocent role to reveal and that's very obvious. Already we seem to have almost only vanilla, abilityless Innocents and we don't have reveals upon death, anybody should realize that's more than enough compared to games that were considered balanced in the past. His claim was out of the blue that not only must the people accusing him be a new cult, but the game isn't balanced without such a cult. While Nictel, Joe, etc... did look scummy in their votes on the other hand a couple of those could be expected to bandwagon and furthermore I doubt any real scum team would have lined up for a failed vote they knew they couldn't win just like that - or if they did it doesn't even matter if ATPG dies and is Innocent because we could go after the scum one right after another.
We had this tally:
atpg (Nictel; Skwink Caesar; Joecoolyo; Red Spy; taillesskangaru) 5
Joecoolyo (Earthling; choxorn; dcmort93; Kennigit; mechaerik)
Skwink Caesar (Skooma Addict)
Nictel (atpg; General Olaf; Arakhor; BSmith1068)
taillesskangaru (Jarrema)
abstain: uziLogic
Then Kennigit and mechaerik both vote for Nictel:Joecoolyo (Earthling; choxorn; dcmort93; Kennigit; mechaerik)
Skwink Caesar (Skooma Addict)
Nictel (atpg; General Olaf; Arakhor; BSmith1068)
taillesskangaru (Jarrema)
abstain: uziLogic
atpg (Nictel; Skwink Caesar; Joecoolyo; Red Spy; taillesskangaru) 5
Joecoolyo (Earthling; choxorn; dcmort93)
Skwink Caesar (Skooma Addict)
Nictel (atpg; General Olaf; Arakhor; BSmith1068; Kennigit; mechaerik) 6
taillesskangaru (Jarrema)
abstain: uziLogic
Joecoolyo's not gonna die now. So you pull your vote off Joecoolyo and onto atpg (what was the case on him?) and now tie the vote betweeen someone who has something of a case against them and the one who made the case; now when Arakhor starts pointing a finger at you (very mildly if at all) you say that both he and pizza 'have' to die. Why is this? fos:Earthling. If Nictel is scum then it's bloody obvious you and him are in cahoots and you're trying to save him. Vote:Nictel.Joecoolyo (Earthling; choxorn; dcmort93)
Skwink Caesar (Skooma Addict)
Nictel (atpg; General Olaf; Arakhor; BSmith1068; Kennigit; mechaerik) 6
taillesskangaru (Jarrema)
abstain: uziLogic
