Large Mafia Game: Highway to Hell [In Play]

[Earthling]

You can go after me after Nictel and in heaven, at least as far as I could hope because I see no reason I'd have negative points, I will continue to vote for ATPG until he dies. If there's not evidence revealed in the writeup that Nictel is scum we probably need to go right after ATPG tomorrow though. It's a very good and very effective strategy as vanilla Innocents, to try and get rid of people who are clearly more powerful, because they are not vanilla Innocents. And so far he implies night action knowledge stuff going on and has had supporters or allies for no reason, Nictel does too, but ATPG is more dangerous because the number of supporters and chances people will actually turn on him when needed are troublesome, while people would turn on Nictel tomorrow or the next day regardless.

So if he is Innocent but not vanilla, he needs to reveal something with actual substance about his role or something else that backs up his cultist theory, for me to trust him, if he's not Innocent, he needs to die.

Arakhor on his own is looking scummy if you read over his posts for bandwagonning and complaining about how people can't be lynched, but yes, I do find it odd why he jumps to back up ATPG each time.

 

[Arakhor]

I think I made one post about people not being lynched and several about bandwagonning being a bad idea, but where's this "each time" lark for backing up ATPG?

 

[Earthling]

You started a bandwagon on Jarrema that he followed, then the next day, you were going after Jarrema again, and switched to follow ATPG's lead on Magnive, and now you jumped to support him again. Otherwise you're looking very much like a normal scum with a few posts to seem active, "correct" little mistakes of other posters to seem like a helpful Innocent, etc...

I really question how people are seeing the kill last night and the votes today adding up. Presumably, this cult would not kill. So the mafia killed Magnive to set some sort of frame-up, but the cult are the ones claimed to be voting against ATPG today. He even claimed he doesn't think Joecoolyo is with the cult, for instance. Where are the mafia after all then? And the cult simply couldn't have more than a handful of members right now if it even exists.

Also going to quote the rules, as while it doesn't entirely rule out the existence of a cult just like bestrfc as a serial killer fit, they still seem to strongly indicate against it:

There is one mafia faction with x amount of members. The majority of the players will be vanilla, but not all. In this regard, the game is pretty standard.

The twist is that, after a player dies, based on their actions taken while living, that player will either go to Heaven or Hell.

This cult theory is dangerous at best and outright bad at worst without a better reason to back it up and people should realize that. How about a simple question for you though Arakhor, are you a vanilla Innocent? No abilities or special role right?

 

[Arakhor]

Earthling, if Jesus popped up in a Mafia thread to say 'hi', you'd instantly suspect his motives, so my saying that I'm one of the vast majority of vanilla innocents will make absolutely no impact on your paranoia, as usual.

 

[Earthling]

Jesus would know how to read, and we'd successfully hunt down the scum together. I don't know why scum seem to suffer in some vortex where they pretend not to read and only answer to or create strawmen that nobody posted, but they do. If you're vanilla Innocent you have nothing to lose by claiming that and as a scum should do so to bluff anyway, but then at least you're not weaseling out with lies. If no one shows up later with a reason to contradict you that's great by me, I already believe Jarrema for instance.

Once again you should explain why you think the cult theory is good too, you haven't actually given a reason for your vote other than just to support ATPG.

 

[Arakhor]

Then since you've posted the very obvious reason why everyone will claim to be a vanilla innocent, why did you ask? It's a pointless waste of time.

I didn't say that the cult theory was a good one, but that I was inclined to believe his reasoning, for today at least. Zack didn't mention a serial killer in the initial write-up either, but apparently we had one.

 

[Earthling]

Firstly that you're flinching like a scum, and there could still be someone out there who could scan abilities or whatnot, so if you made a public lie you could be proven a liar later. And really why the sudden responses and defensiveness, you didn't even attack the content of my ideas, just complained about me as a player. I'd be interested to see ATPG's take to your responses, because if his cult theory is true by the way, the mafia, unrelated to the cult, could have signed up to either side of this ATPG/Nictel bandwagon to buy themselves time.

 

[Arakhor]

You're attacking me, saying that I need to go and suggesting that I'm lying scum and then you wonder why I get defensive and bother responding quickly? Now, I can't say I'd actually noticed that apparently I was agreeing with ATPG a lot, but if I really was ATPG's scum partner, don't you think I'd be a lot more careful than that?

 

[Nictel]

So lets react to the long accusation.
As it seems Sherlock Pizza did it again!

Presently, I believe Joecoolyo is not cult. Observe Nictel's switch off of KFC and onto Coolyo. It wouldn't have been a necessary bus attempt, after all, KFC was SK, so Nictel wasn't trying to spare KFC. No, that was a legit attempt on Coolio's life, so presently, Joecoolyo is not cult, or is at the very least not its leader.

With only one kill in the night, the odds are now actually pretty good that the cult will go hogwild. Nictel himself is trying pretty hard to scum hunt, or at least appear that way.... way more so than usual. It's ironic, that being scum actually makes you behave more townie.

But of course, more pigs for the slaughter!

The remaining kills are the only real threat posed to the cult. That is why I think Nictel is trying really hard to catch scum. Not only does it direct lynches away from himself and his cult leader, but it could potentially make him look townie, and also, remove the biggest threat to his cause.

See here is where regular players stop. He looks townie -> he is townie. But no inspector Pizza continues!

Bravo. Bravissimo, in fact. It's just a shame you had to flinch like you just sat on a hot iron poker. I would have called it a stunning performance otherwise. Even if I could lynch you this round, all that does is stall your efforts. You won't even be moving backwards unless some of you die at night or you fail to recruit.

I'm not perfect at it yet, especially not good enough to avoid your radar.

I'm hoping Zack made non-recruitables in this game, because the odds of victory are quite long otherwise. I hate to say it, but the best tactical move could be to not even vote and just wait to be recruited. That's just so gutless.... it's not to my taste. I will resist it kicking and screaming, you know.

I'm sure Zack made the precaution to avoid this scenario.

I'm Batman, Nictel. And not just any Batman, I am THE Batman.

Actually, now that you ask, the archangels are just a theory I had. It's heaven and hell, and there's men in the middle. I haven't decided whether the forces of heaven are good or evil from my perspective yet. Although I'm sure I'll find out tonight.

I swear to god, if you convert me, I will not even vote. I am so tired of that.

This people. Lets not let the pizza get cold.

Also Nictel, did you just admit that you were a cultist? It is appreciated. It's so nice to have one's suspicions confirmed.

No I did not and I won't admit anything. I know you would like your prize now but you'll have to wait until after the update.

There's nothing I can do when people don't post. I am not actually psychic.

Lies.

The effort is to get me lynched today, but you weren't to risk your vote unless it was needed to put me over the top.
Tailless is not only acting incredibly scummy, but in such a way that you just know he's hiding something bigger than Nictel is.

If I am right, I demand full and unequivocal bragging rights. You don't mess with this.

You're wrong.

Nictel, you were there. What did Greyblades say when I told him what a stunning performance he had just pulled off as mafia in The Mafia's Comeback? He immediately played the modesty card.

Bah modesty, I am awesome!

I notice you didn't comment on ANYTHING I had to say until I pointed fingers at you. No opinion at all on Nictel? Fancy that.

That's a bad sign, TK. It means you're not really scum hunting, you're just defending.

YES TK, what is your opinion on me?

Such lies, you and ATPG both need to go. His theory makes no sense unless he has a non-vanilla Innocent role to reveal and that's very obvious. Already we seem to have almost only vanilla, abilityless Innocents and we don't have reveals upon death, anybody should realize that's more than enough compared to games that were considered balanced in the past. His claim was out of the blue that not only must the people accusing him be a new cult, but the game isn't balanced without such a cult. While Nictel, Joe, etc... did look scummy in their votes on the other hand a couple of those could be expected to bandwagon and furthermore I doubt any real scum team would have lined up for a failed vote they knew they couldn't win just like that - or if they did it doesn't even matter if ATPG dies and is Innocent because we could go after the scum one right after another.

I agree with this post completely. Also there is STILL a reward for killing choxorn! Which has nothing to do with him killing me in an other game

 

[Earthling]

you wonder why I get defensive and bother responding quickly? Now, I can't say I'd actually noticed that apparently I was agreeing with ATPG a lot, but if I really was ATPG's scum partner, don't you think I'd be a lot more careful than that?

No, your post is an obvious lie about what actually happened in the thread. You showed up to criticize me solely after I posted that I doubted the cult theory out of the blue.

And secondly, if you were scum and had something to gain by winning today's vote, keep the lynching on supposed cult or ATPG or buy several days of time, you might go for it, that's a facetious argument if anything, for the same reason you should unvote because "If Nictel/whomever were scum, would they really be that obvious too?"

However I'd be clear to say I of course have no evidence Nictel is Innocent either, but if he dies and isn't revealed as cult then we're really in trouble and chances are a death reveal probably wouldn't happen, I would guess in all honesty. We need to consider our moves tomorrow and in the future and if there's not an explicit reason revealed that a cult even exists that theory has to be dropped, and people need to be clear where they stand so somebody like ATPG or you, Arakhor, as scum doesn't get away freely for today's bandwagon.

 

[Arakhor]

An obvious lie? Really? In a Mafia game? Normally, it's up the person in question to provide the wine, but so far, nearly everything you've said to me can't be dismissed without you claiming WIFOM.

 

[Earthling]

Well, sure, you can keep WIFOMing, but don't lie about your own posts in the actual game thread, it's very obvious for anyone to check Arakhor. You did bandwagon and jump over to vote with ATPG a couple times without a real reason contrary to what you tried to imply and you did show up just to accuse me without actually addressing whether the cult theory was good or bad at first.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

earthling

 

[Nictel]

bestrfcplayer

Best VOTE EVER.

 

[Earthling]

did he edit that vote? That's a serious thing to imply?

Otherwise though, I'll go ahead and vote Arakhor as my own voice today. Nictel is getting lynched because there's not enough votes on alternatives, but Arakhor as scum makes sense in multiplie possible scenarios and adds up with his posts, the change in posting is through the roof and his earlier posts look nice and scummy, very careful to look active and helpful but extremely noncommital. If he and pizza were both scum in it together, Arakhor is still scum, but if pizza isn't scum, whether the cult theory is right or wrong, it makes perfect sense that the mafia could be on either side of this cult-wagon. So Arakhor would again make sense as a mafia who just tried to support pizza and blend in.

 

[Zack]

Tally has been updated, 24 hours remain.

(You guys are awesome, I am weeping tears of joy from the quality of discussion today! Keep it up! )

 

[Skwink]

Zack, don't we have a player in Heaven now? If so, the Heaven list needs an update.

 

[choxorn]

I don't know why scum seem to suffer in some vortex where they pretend not to read and only answer to or create strawmen that nobody posted, but they do.

So, you admit to being scum, then?

Vote: Earthling

I agree with this post completely. Also there is STILL a reward for killing choxorn! Which has nothing to do with him killing me in an other game

Which death do you want revenge for this time, my old archfrenemy?

 

[Nictel]

did he edit that vote? That's a serious thing to imply?

Otherwise though, I'll go ahead and vote Arakhor as my own voice today. Nictel is getting lynched because there's not enough votes on alternatives, but Arakhor as scum makes sense in multiplie possible scenarios and adds up with his posts, the change in posting is through the roof and his earlier posts look nice and scummy, very careful to look active and helpful but extremely noncommital. If he and pizza were both scum in it together, Arakhor is still scum, but if pizza isn't scum, whether the cult theory is right or wrong, it makes perfect sense that the mafia could be on either side of this cult-wagon. So Arakhor would again make sense as a mafia who just tried to support pizza and blend in.

Yeah he did, so quickly though that I was probably the only one to see and quote him in the few seconds in which he changed it.

As for the second part, you know if you vote ATPG there is still a chance I make it.

Which death do you want revenge for this time, my old archfrenemy?

ALL OF THEM

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh Earthling, you delicious sack of cheesy goodness. You behaved exactly as I expected.

I really, really love how you have been kissing up to me all game long, and when I drop the hammer on the cult, you switch your opinion of me.

I'll be right back, because..... damn.... you are the king of flinch. And I need to show the world why.