Large Mafia Game: Highway to Hell [In Play]

[Earthling]

I really, really love how you have been kissing up to me all game long, and when I drop the hammer on the cult, you switch your opinion of me.

No, I haven't, this is really distorting the record. I actually directly criticized your strategy of killing Innocents and trying to make yourself "King of the Town" all the time, which a lot of people do to be fair, but it's a bad strategy all around. People have simply forgotten how to form townie networks or something or maybe many never knew how, but massive bandwagons following one guy's lead without evidence or results are not how you do it.

As for myself I'd openly admit much like Jarrema that I see few downsides in dying and going to heaven where I could keep voting and plan to still be active. That's ok though, but I really want to encourage people to provide reasons for what they are doing or not going off the deep end completely with theories that don't add up. Considering you missed some things in the rules before, that may have factored into your cult conclusion again, and are proposing a scenario where vanilla townies are screwed you gotta provide more evidence than a quote tree from Nictel. (serial killer we already found + 3-4 people in the mafia + cult doesn't bode well for us, like dozen or vanilla townies that are going to be left as the deaths keep piling up)

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

classical_hero is a preferred candidate out of the ones available.

Early vote, meaningless. Although Classical Hero won't retaliate.

QUOTE = EARTHLING (removed the quote tags)

No, I don't see a difference. There's a pretty universal strategy shared by lots of people at both sites: kill as many Innocents as possible, as fast as possible. Bonus points if you get yourself or a friend at the center of a network controlling night actions, without actual reason for anybody to think you're Innocent, just because you always ally up with so-and-so every game.

But usually in a large enough game there's like, two different mafia factions so then at the end both of the mafia teams have to focus on killing each other, and you hope that like the one remaining living Innocent somehow survives the crossfire unscathed. INNOCENT VICTORY! Bonus points again for serial killers being around at the end.


Read the italics. No, I didn't put it there. It's in his original post.

Follow me on a whirlwind adventure.

Southern King really needs to be around and not permanently lurking though, I think.

Safe vote. Southern King won't retaliate either.

If that's the case, what leads to salvation points?

Ling-Ling responds with:

^^^ reading what I say.

If two mafia families, it's technically possible to win by the mafia destroying each other without out help, but it's very unlikely.

That or worshipping the moon goddess, so much better than the sun one.

Reading what he says? Worshipping the moon goddess?

Yeah, Ling-Ling isn't trying to send me messages. Remember his previous post in italics?

You could become a loyal ally of mine to get those points, seeing as I don't have any abilities or anything interesting to do either more than happy to share the blessings of idleness here, and my posts will be good enough for the Innocent cause.

Really? What an offer.

well bestrfcplayer strongly looks to have turned up a serial killer, so that doesn't excuse anyone on either bandwagon - both mafia and Innocents could have been on either side and it probably won't be immediately useful for analysis. Though I would say mechaerik could use some protection, better candidate than anyone else at this point, as he seems like a possible nightkill risk for being active if he is Innocent.

After KFC dies.

Notice how Earthling isn't eager to call for my head after I "defend the serial killer"?

He hasn't been aggressive toward me all game. Instead, he's sending me love notes.

It would have been better if you were a singin' hobo instead of a stabbin' hobo. And I guess I need to step up my posting too, don't want people saying I'm too quiet like always.

Self-conscious/pre-emptive defense. Nervousness.

Yes and I think we should lynch you for talking too much.

Notice the reversal, right about the same time Nictel et al decide I need to die.

How CONVENIENT. How COINCIDENTAL.

I don't trust either of you! You are in cahoots!

Really? You don't trust Earthling?

I doubt that. You're his lapdog.

ATPG Couldn't take him out by lynch so he killed him!!

vote: ATPG for attempting to save BestKFC.

vote:ATPG

Where's the follow-up by Earthling? He suspects me and I need to die, right?

I was going to say Magnive was obviously killed as a frame attempt, but with that random bandwagon didn't even need to hurry up and say that as you already did for me.

Joecoolyo enough bandwagonning again.

Wait, now Magnive's death is a frame attempt, presumably on me?

I thought I was scum and needed to die.




And the grand finale. What happens after I accuse Nictel of being Cult?


Earthling NOW suspects I am scum again.


LOL



You.... are.... sooooooooooooo screwed.

Who flip-flops like a politician, who doesn't want to lead the charge against Pizza, but who really wants him dead if Pizza is a threat to the cult? Someone who is lying, and someone who his cult.

Earthling be a lying cultist too. And, the kicker, the evidence is all in-thread for ALL TO SEE.


Check and uh mate there little buddy.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just noticed that Earthling, in the post where I removed the quotes, also predicts there's a serial killer, not two families.

How could he know that?

Hmm?


Perfect. Information.

What's the last word?

SYN.......DROOOOOME.



EDIT:

Notice in the rules it says there's one mafia family.

Earthling both predicts there's a serial killer, responsible for the other half of the murders, but also states in-thread that I need to read the rules.

Then he suggests there's two families in his italics post.

Wait, this is the guy who says I need to read the rules.

Two families and a SK? The rules say one mafia family.

That would be because the other family ain't even mafia. It's cult. And Earthling posted in-thread that he knows that, AND that there's a SK.

That's so freaking beautiful.

 

[Earthling]

not two families.

There aren't two families because it's in the rules, and the hypocrisy of criticizing a light-hearted metagame post when you're the one who invented a cult wholecloth is stunning. I was later directly pointing out that you failed to read the rules, just like you didn't notice how there was a random chance for those with 0 karma to end up in heaven or hell.

Who do you even think is part of this cult at this point? Clearly everyone involved in today's posting can't be, and you fail to realize that you've provided no evidence for any vanilla Innocent to believe a cult exists.

Now, almost anyone else as a scum I wouldn't expect to come up with an elaborate ruse like inventing a cult that doesn't exist, but you'd be crazy enough to do it just as people are crazy enough to follow you. So have to keep that in mind, at any rate, forcing several days of lynches (almost certainly without death reveals) on the supposed existence of the cult would greatly benefit the Mafia even if you are not Mafia, so keeping an eye on silent wagoners like Arakhor. I'm willing to accept you could be townie and wrong though, however I hope for the town's sake that Nictel is at least guilty of something if you're about to lead another crusade to kill other townies without evidence.

 

[Zack]

Well done, Zack. That looks very attractive.

Zack, you have designed such a marvelous game. I think only other game hosts will appreciate this the way I do, but it's really exquisite.

Game design and general purtiness are what I hang my hat on.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Firstly, no death reveals?

How could you know that in advance? Did we already get rid of one of you? Because the HOBO was revealed as evil on death.

I just wanted to spit that out there, before I get into the rest of your weak response.

 

[dcmort93]

Well seeing as how ATPG just presented a brilliant case on earthling and my vote on Joecoolyo isn't doing anything I'm gonna have to go with Earthling

 

[Earthling]

Firstly, no death reveals?

It's in the rules. You didn't read them well, again, and your cult theory is sorely lacking because of it, if you didn't have evidence to post otherwise about a roleclaim/night actions. That's why bestrfcplayer does look like a special serial killer, but we probably won't get reveals on mafia nor would we on your supposed cultists.

 

[Zack]

Because the HOBO was revealed as evil on death.

Just to clarify, bestrfcplayer's alignment wasn't revealed, ONLY his role.

Roles will be revealed on death, but alignment will not. Sorry if this caused confusion.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

There aren't two families because it's in the rules, and the hypocrisy of criticizing a light-hearted metagame post when you're the one who invented a cult wholecloth is stunning. I was later directly pointing out that you failed to read the rules, just like you didn't notice how there was a random chance for those with 0 karma to end up in heaven or hell.

Yeah, I have no idea what's going on. But I've been coming up with theories. Theories that have been wrong.

You, on the other hand, seem to have known the whole game setup right from the start. That's why it's completely ridiculous that you'd claim to be vanilla innocent. You aren't. And since you could have claimed a power role by now, I'm suggesting you aren't one of those.

Who do you even think is part of this cult at this point? Clearly everyone involved in today's posting can't be, and you fail to realize that you've provided no evidence for any vanilla Innocent to believe a cult exists.

No, not everyone. You see, normal innocents with no idea what is going on would behave a certain way.

Other folks, like yourself, betray a connection to Nictel when you reversed your opinion of me like three times so far this game, going negative whenever Nictel did, or when I went after him.

I don't believe everyone on my wagon is cult, no. Innocents will get swept up in the whole mess. But, I can draw lines connecting you and Nicky for sure.

Now, almost anyone else as a scum I wouldn't expect to come up with an elaborate ruse like inventing a cult that doesn't exist, but you'd be crazy enough to do it just as people are crazy enough to follow you. So have to keep that in mind, at any rate, forcing several days of lynches (almost certainly without death reveals) on the supposed existence of the cult would greatly benefit the Mafia even if you are not Mafia, so keeping an eye on silent wagoners like Arakhor. I'm willing to accept you could be townie and wrong though, however I hope for the town's sake that Nictel is at least guilty of something if you're about to lead another crusade to kill other townies without evidence.

No, I fully don't expect anyone to listen to me at all if Nictel or someone else I accuse flips and doesn't end up being revealed as evil or cult or whatever.

If I am wrong in my accusations, I don't expect to survive. But from what you're saying, you seem to already have knowledge that I will somehow control the game from this point on.

Is this, like Nictel's responses, a tacit admission that I've hit the bulls eye? Which is it Earthling, are you guys going to flip with no indication that you're guilty, which you've hinted you know about in advance, or am I going to control the game from here on out? Because both won't happen. I'm dead if I'm wrong.

Why are you acting like I'm right?

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just to clarify, bestrfcplayer's alignment wasn't revealed, ONLY his role.

Roles will be revealed on death, but alignment will not. Sorry if this caused confusion.

That's classic. That is classic. So that means someone can flip without looking evil and be evil. There's going to be no way I can prove these guys are cults! How deliciously ironic. And Earthling knew it, too... he knew they'd flip without revealing they were cult. I swear, that's gotta mean one of them is dead already.

I have all the evidence but none of the proof, and I won't have proof until it's too late. I don't expect anyone to believe anything I say, but there, I said it. If I'm right, I called it, but it's never going to matter. No reveals, and a dead SK, the cult is going to win this one unless we happen to guess right and they go down early. And after that, just to be safe, I gotta die too, I'm sure, because I directed a lynch on people we won't even know aren't innocent.

Isn't that just a kick in the pantaloons? This is going to be just like the Animus game. No one will know if I'm right, even me. Oh this game is going to frustrate me to no end, and my fate of being lynched is as good as set in stone now.

You see, I should have just shut up and let myself be converted. That's what smart people do. Stupid people try to solve the game and win with their original alignment.

 

[dcmort93]

To be quite honest with you I see what you are saying about earthling as well. He's flip-flopping more than a bad politician and he is panicking when you are going after him and nictel. He also most definitely seems to have P.I.S.

 

[dcmort93]

You see, I should have just shut up and let myself be converted. That's what smart people do. Stupid people try to solve the game and win with their original alignment.

Like in gangland

 

[Skwink]

Now remember folks, beware of ATPG. He was able to get all most all of you to follow him in Gangland Wars, and look where that lead for us...

 

[BSmith1068]

That worked out fine for some of us…

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

The lack of reveals is a killer. A game setup where there's cult, SK, mafia, town makes sense.


Cult: Can be picked off early. And, if they win, they take half the town with them to victory. Therefore it is balanced.

SK: Can pick off the cult or even the mafia, have the hardest role by default. Possible he could have been converted, so he gets a support network of the cult, and gives the cult a murder.

Mafia: Obviously can win if they start with at least 3 players and have a murder. They can pick off the cult or the SK early.

Town: Difficult game, but can accidentally lynch the cult leader, SK early. May have power roles, in fact from the rules they likely do. Some might be able to win with the cult, so can win two different ways.

It's perfectly balanced, but the lack of reveals means that it truly does favor a non-vanilla innocent victory.

That said, Zack did say he would reveal role, not alignment. I would assume the cult leader himself is at least a role of some kind, and hopefully the mafia/town can accidentally pick off the cultists in the course of the game. It may be just enough, but it's still a dangerous lack of information.

Anyway, if you don't manage to hit the cult leader and the mafia goes down, and the SK already went down, then town can still win with the cult, so the only people who can complain are the ones who died as vanilla innocent, unconverted. Most people still have a decent shot at winning, so it's balanced.

Now remember folks, beware of ATPG. He was able to get all most all of you to follow him in Gangland Wars, and look where that lead for us...

I don't think people are that credulous of me. My accusation is shaky at best, and since I'll never be able to provide proof aside from a role that dies and could have been a cult leader, I'm no threat of being a town leader here.

Basically unless I nail an obvious scumbag on this round, I'm done. That's fine, though, I am giving it my best attempt. Lost causes are the ones I fight the hardest.

 

[Earthling]

Yeah, of course there's no way I can defend myself as a vanilla townie and I realize that. You got me there. However I'll keep the vote sticking to going after Arakhor rather than you, because again you do kinda appear to have not read the rules and come to a mistaken conclusion as a townie. Or I hope for your sake you actually have evidence a cult exists, like you are really an angel something and just don't want to reveal it in thread.

I'll have to change my ways, though, turn back on wickedness, it would really be disappointing if I didn't end up in heaven. I forever renounce my worship of Luna, let me purge myself of heresy. Oh Great One, I hope to graze in the Eternal Pastures.

And guess what else, I bet I can tell you what's in the mafia quicktopic right now:

Spoiler :

It's obvious

Spoiler :

You know it's true

Spoiler :

"Lol guys, ATPG thinks there is some sort of cult and he's randomly going to get Earthling lynched"

 

[Skwink]

vote:abstain I really don't have any good clue as to who to vote for. Maybe something will happen, but until then, we have no really good reason to lynch anyone.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

"Lol guys, ATPG thinks there is some sort of cult and he's randomly going to get Earthling lynched"

I do have to admit, I can only look brilliant or damned foolish at this point.

 

[Earthling]

Well there is one thing I can say, IF there is a cult:

so the only people who can complain are the ones who died as vanilla innocent, unconverted.

This is 99% guaranteed to happen to at least one if not both of us.

Or it's possible I've pulled a Reverse Diamondeye here, which for those of you not versed in Mafia Glossary terms, means I'm not actually a cultist, but a townie-aligned vampire.