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Leader depiction elimination thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Kimiimaro, Mar 16, 2018.

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  1. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

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    Hello guys. Some people may remember that we've had this thread running and finished once (with Cyrus the Great winning), but since April 2017 when the thread was active, two DLCs and R&F expansion are released and 12 new leaders are in game, I think it is time to make a new round that includes these new leaders.

    Rules are simple:
    - Try vote roughly once per 24 hours. If you want to post significantly sooner (few hours), add a reason.
    - You add only one point to the choice you want to support.
    - You take away three points from the choice you want to eliminate.
    - You have to give reasons to your vote.
    - Changing leaders to upvote/downvote isn't necessary. You can vote for the same leaders any number of times in a row.

    Allright, let's get started!

    Rankings:

    1. Gitarja :trophy:
    2. Poundmaker :trophy2nd:
    3. Teddy Roosevelt :trophy3rd:
    4. Peter the Great :trophy2:
    5. Cyrus the Great :trophy2:
    6. Gorgo
    7. Seondeok
    8. Chandragupta Maurya
    9. Jayavarman VII
    10. Hojo Tokimune
    11. Lautaro
    12. Jadwiga
    13. John Curtin
    14. Genghis Khan
    15. Catherine de' Medici
    16. Shaka
    17. Tomyris
    18. Harald Hardrada
    19. Wilhelmina
    20. Saladin
    21. Robert the Bruce
    22. Victoria
    23. Philip II
    24. Amanitore
    25. Mvemba a Nzinga
    26. Tamar
    27. Gilgamesh
    28. Trajan
    29. Frederick Barbarossa
    30. Pericles
    31. Cleopatra
    32. Qin Shi Huang
    33. Pedro II
    34. Montezuma I
    35. Alexander the Great
    36. Gandhi
     
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  2. tedhebert

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    I refuse !!! ;-)

    But have fun guys !!!
     
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  3. Kimiimaro

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    Alexander the Great - 20-3=17 - Still looks like a surfer with punchable face and weird smile.
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 20+1=21 - One honorary point for the winner of the last round :)
    Frederick Barbarossa - 20
    Gandhi - 20
    Genghis Khan - 20
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 20
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 20
    Lautaro - 20
    Montezuma I - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 20
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 20
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 20
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
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  4. Katakanja

    Katakanja Emperor

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    Alexander the Great - 17
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 20
    Gandhi - 20
    Genghis Khan - 20 +1 = 21 Might as well start with my favourite leader model out of the new R&F ones.
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 20
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 20
    Lautaro - 20
    Montezuma I - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 20
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 20
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 20 -3 = 17 Seems like there's only so much you can do with a Roman leader - it's either going to be a guy in a toga or a guy in legionary armour. It gets repetitive after a while :p
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
  5. Alexander's Hetaroi

    Alexander's Hetaroi Deity

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    Alexander the Great - 17
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 20
    Gandhi - 20-3= 17 Trolling us for years and finally looks like one.
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20

    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 20
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 20
    Lautaro - 20
    Montezuma I - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 20
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 20+1= 21 The most realistic looking leader with a cool jacket.
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
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  6. Ondolindë

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    Never played this before. So here we go...

    Alexander the Great - 17
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 20
    Gandhi - 17
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 20
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 20
    Lautaro - 20
    Montezuma I - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 20
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 21+1= 22 Controversy or no controversy, this guy is one heck of a leader. The game is so much fun with him around.
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20-3= 17 You are one of the reasons why the Inca were not included, warmonger you!
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
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  7. Morningcalm

    Morningcalm Keeper of Records

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    Alexander the Great - 17
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 20
    Gandhi - 17 - 3 = 14 (Alongside Alexander, one of the worst leader models in the game, all the more egregious since we have actual photos of what Gandhi actually looked like)
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 20
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 20 + 1 = 21 (One of the more realistic leader portrayals, with great lines and suitable animation. And unlike some leaders, his overall anti-war theme is very clear from his intro and perfumes all his other lines nicely)
    Lautaro - 20
    Montezuma I - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 20
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 22
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 17
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
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  8. JH24

    JH24 Chieftain

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    Alexander the Great - 17
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 20
    Gandhi - 14 - 3 = 11 (They could have done so much more with his model. It's just disrespectful)
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 20
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 21
    Lautaro - 20 + 1 = 21 (Really like his expressive animations and voice. Love how he keeps that sword around)
    Montezuma I - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 20
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 22
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 17
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
  9. kaspergm

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    Alexander the Great - 17
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 20
    Gandhi - 11 - 3 = 8 (Not a particular fan of these games, but gotta participate just to express my opinion about how awful Gandhis model is)
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 20
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 21
    Lautaro - 21
    Montezuma I - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 20
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 23 (He is hands down the best leader model, everything is just awesome)
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 17
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
  10. Guandao

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    Alexander the Great - 17
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 20
    Gandhi - 8
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 20
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 21
    Lautaro - 21
    Montezuma I - (20-3)=17 Not a fan of how ridiculous Monty looks, the Civ1 version of Monty is even more historically accurate (Yes I know that was Monty II instead of Monty I, but the first one would have dressed similar to his descendant). No need for the Quetzal feathers! His face doesn't even look like any indigenous Mesoamerican man (I've seen people compare it to Weird Al Yankovic). It's like Firaxis is intentionally making the Aztec leaders look less and less historically/ethnically accurate for some reason.
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - (20+1)=21 He looks pretty accurate to the real life Tsar.
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 23
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 17
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
  11. Katakanja

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    Alexander the Great - 17
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 20 -3 = 17 Another bland leader. It's like Firaxis gave him his red beard and then promptly forgot to add any other characterful aspects to make him interesting.
    Gandhi - 8
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 20 +1 = 21 He has some of the best all-around animations in the game. Katana brandishing war declaration, incredulous double-take on deal rejection, his little rising sun gesture when he compliments you... the list goes on.
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 21
    Lautaro - 21
    Montezuma I - 17
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 21
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 23
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 17
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
  12. Kimiimaro

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    Alexander the Great - 17
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 20+1=21 - Firaxis has listened to our complaints about Gandhi leading India, and they have decided to give us Chandragupta Maurya as the alternate leader. And to make it even better, they've decided to give him one of the best leader models in R&F. I also like his VA, who sounds like an energic and good leader.
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 17
    Gandhi - 8-3=5 - He really looks weird, like a troll or alien.
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 21
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 21
    Lautaro - 21
    Montezuma I - 17
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 21
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 23
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 17
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
  13. Katakanja

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    @Kimiimaro You've sneakily transferred my positive point from Hojo to Harald, you Norwegian sympathizer you :p
     
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    *Quickly fixes typo* I don't know what are you talking about :mischief:

    Also, this Harald leads Norway, not Denmark :p
     
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    I don't know what you're talking about either? :mischief:

    Ah shoot, you have the evidence in your quote :lol:
     
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    I didn't participate in the past thread, so I'm not exactly sure what the standards are. Is it about optics ? Cyrus has one of the best -and as far as I can tell most accurate- leader models ?
    The agenda/AI behaviour ?
    How the gameplay bonuses correspond to their historical strengths ?

    Anyway, I'll vote based on a combination of all of the above.
    Oh, and I'll try to ignore Gilgamesh completely since he's more mythical than historical.

    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 17
    Gandhi - 5
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 21
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 21
    Lautaro - 21
    Montezuma I - 17
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 20 -3 = 17 Doesn't look anything like the real Pedro and would be more at home in a Tropico game. Also impossible to befriend for a human player because if you know what you're doing you'll always have more Great People than any single AI civ. The real Pedro was more agreeable,
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 21
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 23
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 17
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 20 +1 = 21 A warmonger on his home continet who hates you if you do what he does, not what he says. The leader model is also pretty good for the art style, and they got his voice reasonably right.
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
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    @GoodSarmatian the topic of this thread are leader models, characters, voices and agendas. Their bonuses don't matter here :)
     
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    OK, so basically everthing except gameplay bonuses. Sounds reasonable.
    Edit: I assume UI and UU also don't count ? Of course not, if you tried to explain submarines to Barbarossa he'd think you're insane.
     
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    Alexander - 17-3 = 14 surfer dude just doesn't have the right vibe
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 17
    Gandhi - 5
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 21
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 21
    Lautaro - 21
    Montezuma I - 17
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 17
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 21
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 23
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 20 + 1 = 21 I like her angry expression. I almost want to annoy her just to see it.
    Shaka - 17
    Tamar - 20
    Teddy Roosevelt - 21
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
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    Alexander - 14
    Amanitore - 20
    Catherine de' Medici - 20
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cleopatra - 20
    Cyrus the Great - 21
    Frederick Barbarossa - 17
    Gandhi - 5
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 20
    Gitarja - 20
    Gorgo - 20
    Harald Hardrada - 20
    Hojo Tokimune - 22 (21+1) ... I think he's one of the best looking and crafted leaders from the base game.
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 21
    Lautaro - 21
    Montezuma I - 17
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 20
    Pedro II - 17
    Pericles - 20
    Peter the Great - 21
    Philip II - 20
    Poundmaker - 23
    Qin Shi Huang - 20
    Robert the Bruce - 20
    Saladin - 20
    Seondeok - 21
    Shaka - 17
    Tamar - 17 (20-3) ... she doesn't look like a troll or an alien like ET-Gandhi, but her looks are just completely OFF compared to how she's depicted in paintings. Extremely disappointing.
    Teddy Roosevelt - 21
    Tomyris - 20
    Trajan - 17
    Victoria - 20
    Wilhelmina - 20
     
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