[LP] Leader Pass Pack 2: Great Commanders Sneak Peak (Confirmed; Release Dec. 15)

[IvoryPavane]

NFP came with all the power creep - not just the leaders, but the secret societies and heroes too. I mean, give me a complete blank civ but let me use secret societies and heroes, and that civ will absolutely crush any other civ in the game. The latest iteration really haven't been that special. I mean, some nice abilities, but I don't think any of the ones we've seen so far are S-tier civs, if you ignore the free printing of units for the US or using Caesar in a specific case to farm barb camps on marathon speed.

Those are pretty potent in the right circumstances though!

Also I think the Kongo are pretty darn strong with their new leader.

Re: power creep; I just specifically mean against previous era Civs. For example, Wilhelmina’s +2 culture per trade route versus japans 2 science, 2 culture and 4 gold for even a moderately developed city.

I absolutely agree about the NFP bolt ons. They are generally nuts and especially so considering the AI is hopeless with them

 

[bbbt]

I think power creep is a mixed bag. Some of the Vanilla civs are still the strongest civs in the game, especially with all the patch changes. Like Peter is probably the strongest non-dom victory thanks to Work Ethic and the expansion of all the ways you can use faith.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Bug Fixes and Patch Notes have been confirmed, with the big one being the AI Hyperfocus on Science being finally fixed!!

Rejoice, my fellow CivZealots!!! They will indeed patch the game!!

 

[Linklite]

I'm hoping it comes to the Switch, and the Switch gets some other fixes too!

 

[pokiehl]

Bug Fixes and Patch Notes have been confirmed, with the big one being the AI Hyperfocus on Science being finally fixed!!

Rejoice, my fellow CivZealots!!! They will indeed patch the game!!

So nice to hear this! Cautiously optimistic!

 

[iammaxhailme]

Bug Fixes and Patch Notes have been confirmed, with the big one being the AI Hyperfocus on Science being finally fixed!!

Rejoice, my fellow CivZealots!!! They will indeed patch the game!!

Where was this confirmed?

Also have we seen if the Commander's abilties have been changed from the leaks or not?

(Sorry for not looking it up myself, I've been super busy...)

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Where was this confirmed?

Also have we seen if the Commander's abilties have been changed from the leaks or not?

(Sorry for not looking it up myself, I've been super busy...)

1. Check the last part of the livestream where they talk about the patches.

2. The leaks were 100% true and correct, no Abilities were changed.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Leaks were real, guys!! Though, that does raise the question as to how they got access to the files when no one else was able to...

In the madness that was the whole launch of the Pass, some people seemed to have gotten the Commanders instead of the Negoiators.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Wow so all of it *was* real? Exciting stuff, will definitely play Japan and new Suleiman

Abilities are a lot better than those slapped onto the first four leaders, keep it up!

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Can't wait for the Rulers of China leak tomorrow!

Edit: BTW, anyone feels strange that Tokugawa has been referred to mononymously throughout the entire franchise, always Tokugawa and never with his first name included, while other Japanese leaders don't receive the same name treatment, like Hojo Tokimune or Oda Nobunaga?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Can't wait for the Rulers of China leak tomorrow!

Edit: BTW, anyone feels strange that Tokugawa has been referred to mononymously throughout the entire franchise, always Tokugawa and never with his first name included, while other Japanese leaders don't receive the same name treatment, like Hojo Tokimune or Oda Nobunaga?

Tokugawa seems to be universally known well enough that his personal name isn't needed to distinguish him from other people who share his clan name. On the other hand, I'm not familiar with anyone else from the Hojo or Oda clans either.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

I'm not familiar with anyone else from the Hojo or Oda clans either.

While I agree about the Hojo, surely you're familiar with Oda Nobunaga.

 

[DWilson]

While I agree about the Hojo, surely you're familiar with Oda Nobunaga.

He meant much like Ieyasu is the only Tokugawa he knows, Nobunaga is the only Oda and Tokimune is the only Hojo

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

While I agree about the Hojo, surely you're familiar with Oda Nobunaga.

I said "anyone else", meaning "other than the one already specified".

Another one-namer is Hideyoshi, but that's his personal name, rather than his clan name, Toyotomi

 

[SecretWeapon]

Hope they accidentally left the files for the rest of the LPs in the game

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

He meant much like Ieyasu is the only Tokugawa he knows, Nobunaga is the only Oda and Tokimune is the only Hojo

I said "anyone else", meaning "other than the one already specified".

Another one-namer is Hideyoshi, but that's his personal name, rather than his clan name, Toyotomi

Great, my brain went dumb dumb there. :V Sorry about that.

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

I guess that applies to Hojo Tokimune but Oda Nobunaga is actually very famous. After digging around, I guess the reason maybe Tokimune and Nobunaga weren't the ones who established the clan, although the Oda clan reached its peak in fame and power under Nobunaga, but the Tokugawa shogunate was named after Ieyasu, its founder.

 

[BigChinggis]

It bugs me that Tokugawa's capital us "Tokyo" and not "Edo", but I guess I'll learn to live with it



Very excited to play an even more Culture-focused Japan, and new suleiman looks interesting as well!

 

[bbbt]

Very excited to play an even more Culture-focused Japan, and new suleiman looks interesting as well!

I'd say this is more science victory focused japan. That loss of 25% on the international trade routes is quite significant, a lot more of a loss of tourism than the district tourism is likely to make up (especially if it's limited to 6 hexes of the capital).

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

I'd say this is more science victory focused japan. That loss of 25% on the international trade routes is quite significant, a lot more of a loss of tourism than the district tourism is likely to make up (especially if it's limited to 6 hexes of the capital).

Totally agree. 25% less tourism from trade routes is huge, especially when you don't have half cost Theater Squares anymore.
I kinda hope the devs remove Japan's starting bias under Tokugawa. It will be quite bad if your bonus applies to every city around your capital and then you spawn on the coast.