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Lebensraum - Hitler's observation about America

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Dida, Aug 15, 2014.

  1. Dida

    Dida YHWH

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    From Wikipedia:

    This sounds like a highly accurate description of America and how it became a great power. This nation's founding was largely based upon the wholesale extermination of an entire race of people and the repopulation of their land by "superior" Nordic people. This is not to mention, the wholesale enslavement and continued oppression of another race, deemed to be "inferior".
     
  2. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    I thought the lack of Native resistance to European infectious diseases was more significant. Doesn't it deserve a mention?

    And this lack of resistance wasn't due to being less healthy or vigorous, but because the Native immune system simply hadn't encountered the infections before.

    Still, I expect I've got it wrong. Yet again. I do that a lot.
     
  3. kochman

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    Yes, it does... but the point is clearly to bash America for things that happened in no one alive's lifespan for something that we pretty much universally agree was wrong.
    This is clearly a cheap shot thread because he doesn't even post a question... just wanted to be a negative ninny.

    Next week, on "Cheap Shots", the Spaniards get pointed out for killing native populations to bring in my docile African slaves in numerous places of S and C America!
     
  4. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    It is amazingly hard to effectively and deliberately commit genocide. The Nazis tried really hard to do so, and barely made a dent on the global population. Even Jewish global numbers recovered very quickly. Unless I'm mistaken quite.

    Infectious diseases, now, can have a significant effect. And no one has to even try. Just turn up on someone's doorstep. With a smile and some rattly beads.
     
  5. kochman

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    Not to mention, citing Hitler as your historical source is a pretty weak basis for a statement...
    He wasn't the best historian.
     
  6. Tahuti

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    Native Americans were far less numerous in comparison to WASPs than Slavs were to Germans. In fact, Slavs constituted a distinct majority in the Greater German Reich.
     
  7. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    I guess you're right. I'm not sure how significant that is, though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#Historical_population

    Ooh, look. Chicken pox and measles. Is that German measles?
     
  8. Bugfatty300

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    America was considered "nordic" in those days?
     
  9. kochman

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    To Hitler, probably... but again, he was a pretty poor historian, failed artist that he was.
     
  10. kramerfan86

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    Didnt Hitler another time claim the US was no threat because it had no racial identity? he just blabbered whatever delusion fit his argument at a given time, he would have been good on message boards.
     
  11. kochman

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    Yes, this thread doesn't deserve to continue it's life... I hope a moderator will genocide it.
     
  12. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Anglo-Saxons colonized it, and all Germanic people originally came from Scandinavia. Maybe that's where he's talking about.
     
  13. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    Germanic people came from Scandinavia? Did they? Isn't that largely a myth?

    I mean, I know Scandinavians are considered to be Germanic, but that doesn't mean that Scandinavia was the origin of them all, does it? I'd have thought the reverse is more likely to be true. Just looking at a map. And where people migrated from.
     
  14. kochman

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    It's not even largely a myth, it's completely incorrect.
     
  15. Wastl

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    Define Greater German Reich. "Großdeutschland", as in, the areas that were actually considered part of Germany by the Nazis themselves and not just land that was occupied at that point with the possibility of later annexion, most certainly didn't have slavs as majority. In fact, they were a rather small minority.

    The only area that had a remote chance of being part of Großdeutschland a short time after the war would have been won (short here meaning some years) were the Baltic states. Those wouldn't have been enough to make slavs come even near the number of Germans in the country.

    If you count all land they could have possibly taken or wanted to take, then yes, it could very much be possible for more Slavs to be in the country than Germans. Though that would depend on how much longer industrial killing could have gone on, how many people would have starved to death, and how many would have been expelled/fled.
     
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    *shrug*, I'm no expert, but that's what my collection of historical maps tells me.

    Even if it isn't true, my point is that it could have been what Hitler himself believed when he said what he said.
     
  17. Borachio

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    Indo-European Migrations. 4000 to 1000 BC.

    Ah wait. According to the Kurgan Hypothesis. May not be true at all.
     
  18. Bugfatty300

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    I actually seem to recall that Hitler was a big fan of German "wild west" novels. It seems a little ironic considering that, in the west, German immigrants were themselves often subject to ethnic cleansing by local Americans.
     
  19. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    I remember that. I can imagine him being a fan of Country and Western music, too. Ah, AH how I miss him! That crazy mixed-up little Austrian with his Charlie Chaplin moustache. And what a sense of humour!
     
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    I asked about it because the OP claims that Hitler's summary on American history is accurate and used "nordic" to describe Americans which seems a bid odd, as if he believe's Hitler's notion of "nordic" is a real thing. Though it was probably just poorly worded.
     

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