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Lefties and Our Labels

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Traitorfish, Jun 27, 2010.

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Lefties: Which label do you prefer?

  1. Liberal

    21 vote(s)
    27.6%
  2. Social Liberal

    10 vote(s)
    13.2%
  3. Socialist

    8 vote(s)
    10.5%
  4. Social Democrat

    14 vote(s)
    18.4%
  5. Democratic Socialist

    9 vote(s)
    11.8%
  6. Libertarian Socialist

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  7. Anarchist

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  8. Anarcho-Socialist

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Anarcho-Syndicalist

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Anarcho-Communist

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  11. Anarcho-Collectivist

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  12. Communist

    2 vote(s)
    2.6%
  13. Libertarian Communist

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Marxist

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  15. Libertarian Marxist

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  1. Virote_Considon

    Virote_Considon The Great Dictator

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    You forgot this guy. He was pretty leftist.
     
  2. Munch

    Munch Benevolent Despot

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    Unless you're really convinced in your ways, specific classification is probably counterproductive. So, left-wing or leftist work for me, but of the poll options, socialist I guess.
     
  3. cardgame

    cardgame Obsessively Opposed to the Typical

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    I'll take moderate over any of those.
     
  4. Deego3

    Deego3 Prince

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    I think liberal is too vague as it could imply socialy liberal capitalists. Socailst is also too vague as it inclues red facists like Stalin and pacifits like Gandhi. I would personly call myself a democratic socalist, as i'm too far left to fit in with the social democrats.
     
  5. Kerozine

    Kerozine Deity

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    Don't know what half the terms mean. At most, a social democrat, at least, a liberal.
     
  6. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Fair enough- I did dither about adding "Marxist", but decided that it was such a prominent school of thought that it warranted inclusion. Even if no-one votes for it, that in itself would be significant, so in-line with what I wanted to achieve with this poll.

    A very good point. If any mods are floating about, would it be possible to add "Green", "Green Socialist" and "Green Anarchist" to the end of the poll?
     
  7. Dudemeister

    Dudemeister Prince

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    anarcho-marxist?

    socialist is fine by me.
     
  8. madviking

    madviking north american scum

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    I'm a liberal in the archaic sense. (Smith, Spencer, etc.)
     
  9. Takhisis

    Takhisis Winnie the Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    Having him kidnap, torture and murder PC members makes him a leftist? Expropriating left-wing newspapers too?
     
  10. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    I am a social liberal.
     
  11. west india man

    west india man Immortal

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    I'm Democratic Socialist - I like the systems of a lot of Euro countries like the Netherlands and Sweden. I might actually be a Socialist Democrat, but I don't really know where to draw the line.
     
  12. mechaerik

    mechaerik Tuturuu!

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    I think the difference is that a Democratic Socialist is actually a socialist, while a Social Democrat is more along the lines of regulation and welfare (still capitalist).
     
  13. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    Voted Libertarian Socialist. I am not anarchist in the bourgeois (or independent) sense, but most certainly communist, as I think the stateless, collective society is the ideal to be striven towards. "Anarcho-communist" is a tautology, and I have no clue how an "anarcho-collectivist" wouldn't fall under one of the other terms.

    In context, Libertarian Socialism is socialism that is not Utopian. Utopians have the strange, though admirable and well-meaning idea, that society can be crafted from the top-down, into a perfectly functioning society to which people must be added merely as parts, as one adds gears to a machine. Thus, libertarian socialism is socialism that is not directed from the top-down in the manner that Utopians are. It acknowledges the potential of The People to govern affairs and to craft society itself. It requires no great mind to create this "perfect society" which people cannot or need not change; it is essentially a machine that is built by its own gears.

    Here I differ from anarchism in the realization that society is, in fact, created, and that man has no inherent natural social order that is remotely admirable (those naturally occurring ones being those thrust upon him by the Law of the Jungle). Man must be taught to live with himself, or at the very least, taught to see it in himself, that he can live in a manner apart from base impulses. And thus, we cannot expect to simply wish away the state and watch our utopia unfold naturally, but must rather learn to live in a way which makes the state obsolete. That process is socialism. Anarchists do not see this as necessary, and thus I label them myopic, the real pipe-dreamers. Still, not all of them are so out-of-touch; the better ones I like to think of as simply overzealous, which is nothing to be faulted for in the pursuit of human liberty.
     
  14. Verbose

    Verbose Deity

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    I'll usually respond to "social liberal". Of course, in my nook of the wood, I'm certainly no "leftist".
     
  15. Bei1052

    Bei1052 Emperor

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    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Super Moderator Supporter

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    I refer to myself an Anarchist in general because I don't know enough about the nuances of the theory to specify(although from what I know, anarcho-collectivist fits best). I also like Libertarian socialist but I use anarchist more often because it sounds a lot cooler and makes me seem like an ultra-rebel :D.

    I oppose statist forms of socialism almost as much as I oppose capitalism though, so it really gets to me when people generalize all socialists as Marxist-Leninists. I think that the state is wholly unnecessary and detrimental to our full potential as human beings and I oppose capitalism for the those same reasons and also that it causes 100x more harm than good, economically speaking. The turning point for me was when I heard about what businesses do when they "overproduce". They destroy parts of their inventories in order to keep supply low and prices high, yet there are millions of people who need and could have eaten that food. A system based on profits is contradictory to our fundamental needs as human beings.

    As far as Marx goes, I have read The Communist Manifesto and am in the process of reading Capital(we'll see how well that goes lol). I agree with his critiques of capitalism and his ideas of proletariat dominance but not his ideas of a state being necessary before the transition to communism.
     
  18. GhostWriter16

    GhostWriter16 Deity

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    This is an oxymoron. When you take the wealth of some people to give it to other people, and the government owns business, its socialism.

    I think you can guess, I'm right wing, so I don't like any of them.
     
  19. GamezRule

    GamezRule Inconceivable!

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    Then why are you in this thread?

    EDIT:
    As it has been explained to you so many times before, it's not.
     
  20. _random_

    _random_ Jewel Runner

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    Would you care to point to any actual socialist (Marxist or otherwise) who would use such a definition? Becuase right now it just looks like you realized that Communism is used to unlock the State Property civic and went from there.
     

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