That makes perfect sense. I was thinking my 2h were going away on monestaries. I thought the culture was obsolete too. It's very rare the a culture game researches SciMeth, but I thought someone tested it once. jesusin maybe. I'm probably confused. (edit: hammers are gone after it's obsolete) Now I wonder if monasteries aren't so bad. 10% research early/mid game, then 2hpt midgame, 4hpt late game (w/power). I probably should have put one in my GLib city (115bpt) or Capital (91 bpt) Maybe it's not too late. Let's do some math: I chop 180h for it. Those hammers could have been ~500 thru the WonderBread Economy--which translates to roughly 600 So if I instead invest those 180h into a monastery in Lisbon. I get 11bpt for the next 40 turns (when I bulb SM + Bio). I get 440 beakers Plus 2hpt three hpt(forge) 120h. so we're up to 560 (maybe 580 with library effect) And then (if you're right) there's the ongoing late-game hammers. edit: I realized I won't be running 100% research for much longer. However, Lisbon still does 100bpt at 40% research because it's all scientists, not commerce beakers. Cuzco, however, drops to 41bpt Important note: The 600 from WBE comes when I complete Taj (about 40 turns from now). At that point I'll have a ton of other money. So maybe I'm better off with the 580 I get from chopping the monastery ASAP? Another small disadvantage to putting the hammers in Taj is that I need another turn delay to my failgold if I want to pass Taj around to a 23rd city. I think yes! Thanks for the advice. You (and elitetroops) opened my eyes just in time, contributing to my game and probably how I view monasteries in general. I should have had it built at least 10 turns ago! I guess there was no guarantee I'd get the AP in my religion. I certainly wasn't going to build it. I might build one in Cuzco soon too. Once I feel comfortable with my army size. I am comfortable. Now is probably a good time for 5 turns on a monastery because new units have to travel all the way east to Roosevelt. Might as well just let the current army handle that and add new units faster once the Dutch war begins. With the heroicEpic here, I get +5hpt building military. It's 5 (not 4) in my case since Cuzco is 22 base-h. each new workshop makes it 26, 30, etc. The extra 2h will jump from 4 to 5 because of the forge. edit: with my research slider dropping to 50% (that's about what I can sustain after the money is gone) Cuzco is only 50bpt instead of 90. So the monastery is 5bpt + 5hpt. I think still worth it, but I'm done with monasteries after these 2.