Leugi's Israel for VP

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  1. Kim Dong Un

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    I purposefully had them as an AI in my current game and they didn't fare too well. They went authority and were out-founded by myself and a couple other non-religious civs. The only plus for them was Inuit (who've performed horribly 2 games in a row now for AI...) being sandwiched alongside Songhai, so they cooperated for the first half of the game to wipe him out. Askia reaped almost all the benefit, and it was a short while before his religious pressure and missionary spread eroded any religious gains from David. He ended up voluntarily vassalizing to Askia, and now I've got a monster Songhai to repel for the remaining 100 turns.

    I used Israel months ago, and won a CV game on King, but there's been so many tweaks over that time so I'd have to play them again before coming to any conclusions myself.
     
  2. pineappledan

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    I’ve had Israel in a number of my games and I’ve never seen them on top of the pile, or seriously contend with me, but that is true of a lot of civs as well, so I didn’t think much of it. I just played 100 turns on the newest version as Israel and got put over a barrel by the Inca.
     
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    @pineappledan One small suggestion. Maybe adjust the faith on barbarian camps down a tad, and add some Great General Points on clearing it. So Israel can get an early Shophet by clearing a few + city-state quests to do so, without having to always get into an early war.

    Or another Idea is that faith purchases would grant a small amount of GG points, including spawned Great Prophets. The Biblical Judges are all tied up in religion, so having that mechanic have a bit of crossover could be good. Not sure what a good ratio would be, but Israel shouldn't be drowning in them, but a few would be decent. Maybe not even all faith purchases, but maybe just some GG points as each stage of religion, ie Pantheon, Founding, Enhancing, reformation. 4 triggers, maybe adding up in total to like Two Shophets. Hardly world shaking, but something.

    Or the easiest, which is to just slightly reduce the yields of Solomon's Temple, but have it grant a free Shophet.
     
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  4. pineappledan

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    I kinda like the GGPoints on encampment clear idea. Very Joshua/Judges. The tie-in with the 4UC stuff needs to be circumstantial , and stand on its own thematically, but I think there is at least some merit to it standing on its own, and it gives Israel at least a tiny edge on generating 1 type of GP. I don't think the faith would need to be lowered
     
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    Just finished a new game with Israel. King, Standard speed and map size, continents
    Spoiler :
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    34 policies by the end. We ran out of GWriters fairly quick, only in Modern.
    I went Tradition -> Artistry -> Rationalism -> Freedom

    New balance changes in this version:
    • Beit Hamikdash back up to 6:c5faith:3:c5culture:3:c5gold:, up from 5:c5faith:3:c5culture:1:c5gold:
    • Theming bonus increased from 8 to 10 on Beit Hamikdash
    • Clearing Encampments gives 40:c5faith:faith and :c5capital:GGPoints
    I lucked out on the start, because there was a huge swathe of land that filled in with barbarians very quickly. The 25% bonus vs barbarians came in very handy; I got 2 GGenerals from barb camps before ever going to war. I probably could have gone Authority and had an even stronger early game and gone for more of a domination type, but I was deliberately trying to play a passive game to test the raw GP potential.

    I'll push this new version tomorrow and see how people like it
     
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    On my games I put Israel, Shoshone and Maya out. Israel because AI is very dumb playing it, Shoshone and Maya due to no Ancient ruins.

    Anyway as Player, Israel feels unique to play and quite powerful.
     
  7. Denn

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    Reporting a bug here. Both oracle and Gganja( wonder from more wonders) dont add free temple with israel when the wonder is built
     
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    Dan, in the first post of the thread it's written: "Note: Free temples from Oracle are added normally", so maybe that should be changed to be accurate?
     
  10. Denn

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    But the civ desciption says oracle builds temple notmally. You made a recent change on that?
     
  11. pineappledan

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    OP edited.

    the civ is fully integrated into DLL. This exception was removed when that happened. This would have been about a year ago
     
  12. WhimsicalCotton

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    Is this no longer compatible with 4uc?
     
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    EDIT: I had an old version. Please disregard. I will check to see if this fixes my issue.

    After building my first Maccabee is not getting the Cover I and Guerilla promotions.
    Spoiler Maccabee :

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  15. Gamezoid123

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    Hey, I've got this mod installed, but the 3rd and 4th UCs don't show up. Do I need to enable them somehow?
     

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  16. pineappledan

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    @Hokiefan00 I also notice you aren't getting the UA Promised Land promotion.

    @Gamezoid123 alter your .modinfo file, save, and reload

    I'm not having any problems with the extra UCs showing up, or anything like that in my local install, btw
     
  17. Gamezoid123

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    @pineappledan Hmm, I set the import values in the .modinfo file to 1, but nothing changed. Additionally, I wasn't certain what lines to enable, and I have all the mods that relate to them so I enabled them all. Any thoughts?
     
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    Thanks for your response. It's amazing how many ills a fresh install will cure. My issues were totally due to that.
     
  20. Gamezoid123

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    Alright, redownloaded, reinstalled, still nothing. To be fair, I have a fat list of enabled mods. Could it be conflicting with another one?
     

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