[RD] LGBTQ News II

[IglooDame]

State Department to suspend passport applications seeking sex-marker changes​

State Department to suspend passport applications seeking sex-marker changes

Secretary of State Marco Rubio, in a memo reviewed by NBC News, said additional guidance would be issued on existing passports containing an “X” sex marker.

www.nbcnews.com

As a result, the memo continues, the State Department will no longer issue “X” sex markers for U.S. passports or birth records for U.S. citizens with children born abroad. It directs employees to suspend all applications requesting an “X” sex marker or a sex marker change, adding that employees should “not take any further action” on those applications “pending additional guidance from the Department.”

The memo applies to all applications currently in progress and any future applications, the memo states, adding that guidance on existing passports containing an “X” sex marker “will come via other channels.”

Which is to say, if you're a US citizen and you've submitted paperwork for a gendermarker change on your passport and you don't have that updated passport in hand yet, your request just got cancelled.

I did mine 2.5 yrs ago so it shows valid till Aug 2032, but it's not going to surprise me at all if soon the State Dept has someone spend an hour doing a database query for all passport gender change requests for the last ten years and then proactively revokes/expires all passports listed in that query result.

 

[Crezth]

They can also just do a search for anyone with an X so they can round them up and kill them, if the mood strikes. It’s like DACA putting a bunch of people in a database that the government can scroll through. I bet you’d feel pretty dumb if you fell for that DACA scam and now you’re going to a detention and deportation camp. It’s nice to have government documents validate your citizenship or identity or whatever, but it’s nicer not to be completely at the mercy of the government.

 

[lymond]

Moderator Action: New LGBTQ News thread. Please be civil and stick to news/topic. -lymond

 

[Zardnaar]

In NZ if you're American trans in line for citizenship you can apply to have it become urgent due to Trump EO.

First one AFAIK just went through. Partnership visa and have been here since 2016.

 

[Crezth]

Very kind of the New Zealand people to extend that grace. Please accept my humblest thanks to your country.

 

[Zardnaar]

Very kind of the New Zealand people to extend that grace. Please accept my humblest thanks to your country.

More speeding up the bureaucratic process.

Still gonna take around 7 years on average 5 if it's really quick.

 

[Crezth]

Nevertheless. 5 years isn’t the worst thing in the world.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

State Department to suspend passport applications seeking sex-marker changes​

State Department to suspend passport applications seeking sex-marker changes

Secretary of State Marco Rubio, in a memo reviewed by NBC News, said additional guidance would be issued on existing passports containing an “X” sex marker.

www.nbcnews.com

Which is to say, if you're a US citizen and you've submitted paperwork for a gendermarker change on your passport and you don't have that updated passport in hand yet, your request just got cancelled.

I did mine 2.5 yrs ago so it shows valid till Aug 2032, but it's not going to surprise me at all if soon the State Dept has someone spend an hour doing a database query for all passport gender change requests for the last ten years and then proactively revokes/expires all passports listed in that query result.

So does this mean, previously, that a transwoman's passport (for example) would have shown "X" and not "F"? And I'm a bit confused by the "for U.S. citizens with children born abroad" qualifier, which seems to imply this only applies to such people?

 

[danjuno]

State Department to suspend passport applications seeking sex-marker changes​

State Department to suspend passport applications seeking sex-marker changes

Secretary of State Marco Rubio, in a memo reviewed by NBC News, said additional guidance would be issued on existing passports containing an “X” sex marker.

www.nbcnews.com

Which is to say, if you're a US citizen and you've submitted paperwork for a gendermarker change on your passport and you don't have that updated passport in hand yet, your request just got cancelled.

I did mine 2.5 yrs ago so it shows valid till Aug 2032, but it's not going to surprise me at all if soon the State Dept has someone spend an hour doing a database query for all passport gender change requests for the last ten years and then proactively revokes/expires all passports listed in that query result.

What exactly happens if someone is intersex?

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

The data-entry I use allows for neuter, so I don't know what the big deal is; you simply won't be addressed as "Mr." or "Mrs."
I'm guessing that such-and-such country wants to know how many men or women arrive there.
But Trump's "this is conforming to reality!" doesn't make the intent clear and is probably, like many things, just to spite Joe Biden.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

The data-entry I use allows for neuter, so I don't know what the big deal is; you simply won't be addressed as "Mr." or "Mrs."
I'm guessing that such-and-such country wants to know how many men or women arrive there.
But Trump's "this is conforming to reality!" doesn't make the intent clear and is probably, like many things, just to spite Joe Biden.

The intent is to harm trans people

 

[choxorn]

The data-entry I use allows for neuter, so I don't know what the big deal is; you simply won't be addressed as "Mr." or "Mrs."
I'm guessing that such-and-such country wants to know how many men or women arrive there.
But Trump's "this is conforming to reality!" doesn't make the intent clear and is probably, like many things, just to spite Joe Biden.

Everyone in this thread: "This is a problem because of a bunch of reasons"

You: "sO I doN'T kNoW wHaT tHe BiG dEaL iS"

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Everyone in this thread: "This is a problem because of a bunch of reasons"

You: "sO I doN'T kNoW wHaT tHe BiG dEaL iS"

shock as cis dude can't grasp why anti-trans discrimination is bad

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

That's not what I said. Try harder next time.

 

[Perfection]

Weird stuff going on in with transwomen inmates in US federal custody:

(Backstory is that Deviant Ollam is a security researcher youtuber that I follow who has a transwoman independent researcher colleague who got prosecuted for her ID forgery research, he has been issuing periodic updates with her legal issues)

 

[choxorn]

That's not what I said. Try harder next time.

What did you mean then, when you said that the state department doing this isn't a big deal

 

[Ordnael]

I think banning anyone from the military without a criminal record is stupid. The POTUS should be happy the US can keep such a large contingent of personnel without forced conscription.

Exclusive: Rights groups preparing to file lawsuit against Trump's transgender troops order, source says​

https://www.reuters.com/legal/rights-groups-preparing-file-lawsuit-against-trumps-transgender-troops-order-2025-01-28/

WASHINGTON, Jan 28 (Reuters) - Transgender rights advocacy groups are preparing to file a lawsuit as early as Tuesday against U.S. President Donald Trump's executive order that targeted transgender service members, in what would be the first legal challenge to a cornerstone of his conservative agenda at the Pentagon.
Trump signed an executive order on Monday that took aim at transgender troops in a personal way -- at one point saying that a man identifying as a woman was "not consistent with the humility and selflessness required of a service member."

A source familiar with the matter said GLAD Law and the National Center For Lesbian Rights (NCLR) would be filing a joint lawsuit arguing that the executive order violates the equality guarantees of the U.S. Constitution. Reuters was first to report the planned lawsuit.
The executive orders signed by Trump said that expressing a "gender identity" different from an individual's sex at birth did not meet military standards.

While the order banned the use of "invented" pronouns in the military, it did not answer basic questions including whether transgender soldiers currently serving in the military would be allowed to stay and, if not, how they would be removed.
Trump's order has been heavily criticized by rights groups and some Democratic lawmakers.
"President Trump's Executive Order is an insult to the bravery and service of transgender servicemembers," Senator Andy Kim said.

"How can we have a military that protects all Americans if it doesn't recognize and respect all Americans?" he added.
During his first term, Trump announced that he would ban transgender troops from serving in the military. He did not fully follow through with that ban - his administration froze their recruitment while allowing serving personnel to remain.
President Joe Biden overturned the decision when he took office in 2021.

The military has about 1.3 million active-duty personnel, Department of Defense data show. While transgender rights advocates say there are as many as 15,000 transgender service members, officials say the number is in the low thousands.
When Trump announced his first ban in 2017, he said the military needed to focus on "decisive and overwhelming victory" without being burdened by the "tremendous medical costs and disruption" of having transgender personnel.

 

[IglooDame]

So does this mean, previously, that a transwoman's passport (for example) would have shown "X" and not "F"? And I'm a bit confused by the "for U.S. citizens with children born abroad" qualifier, which seems to imply this only applies to such people?

The "US citizens with children born abroad" is significant because it's the State Dept that issues "consular records of birth" which is effectively the same as a birth certificate, at least as far as US identity/citizenship verification purposes. So the policy impacts transgender (and I'm guessing, intersex) US citizens having/getting passports, and also to transgender and intersex US citizens born outside the US.

 

[IglooDame]

I think banning anyone from the military without a criminal record is stupid. The POTUS should be happy the US can keep such a large contingent of personnel without forced conscription.

I think I'm actually more upset about the line "Beyond the hormonal and surgical medical interventions involved, adoption of a gender identity inconsistent with an individual's sex conflicts with a soldier's commitment to an honorable, truthful and disciplined lifestyle, even in one's personal life," in the order itself. It's bad enough for someone to claim that I and my transgender siblings lack honor, truthfulness, or discipline, but this is coming from Donald Trump, who to the extent that he's familiar with such things at all is only because of his adversarial relationship with the concepts.

It does repeat the common thread in these EOs so far, justifying all these changes on the basis of 'transgender isn't a real thing, it's just people lying about their sex'.

 

[Perfection]

Weird stuff going on in with transwomen inmates in US federal custody:
(Backstory is that Deviant Ollam is a security researcher youtuber that I follow who has a transwoman independent researcher colleague who got prosecuted for her ID forgery research, he has been issuing periodic updates with her legal issues)

Mixed bag update