[RD] LGBTQ News II
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This feels like Manfred is making a pointless semantic argument over Cloud originally saying "trans people being denied healthcare because they aren't cis" and objecting on the grounds of "well actually the thing they're being denied wouldn't be available or desired by cis people in the first place" to which I say, why does that matter if you're not just trying to be pedantic? If the government blanket-banned Ritalin or Adderall for kids would you make a similar semantic argument if somebody characterized this as "people with ADHD being denied healthcare because they aren't neurotypical"? How about corneal implant surgery for deaf kids, or insulin pumps for diabetic kids? Would you be upset if someone said the government was denying them healthcare because they're disabled?
That's not even getting into the fact that there are treatments for cis kids and teens that are basically also just gender-affirming healthcare, like if a cis boy is getting a treatment for gynecomastia, and absolutely nobody thinks there's anything wrong with that, nor are they trying to ban it.
That's not even getting into the fact that there are treatments for cis kids and teens that are basically also just gender-affirming healthcare, like if a cis boy is getting a treatment for gynecomastia, and absolutely nobody thinks there's anything wrong with that, nor are they trying to ban it.
Senethro
Overlord
There are so many ways that Manfred's argument is stupid. Heres another: Its acting as if options desirable to cisgender people should be the standard, that other healthcare must be non-standard, and then he calls this non-discriminatory.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Dude has issues with the existence of trans people, even trans kids aren't free from his ire
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Dude is desperate to force trans kids to undergo humiliating gender dysphoria for the rest of their lives becausehe can't put aside his own biases,which tbh constitutes as a form of torture for trans people
Broken_Erika
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Detransition is key to politicians’ anti-trans agenda. But what is it really like?
The 19th spoke with two detransitioners who feel harmed and used by the Trump administration, which has positioned itself as a protector of those who detransition.For some people, gender shifts over time, often through changes in one’s sense of self. A transgender man may realize they are nonbinary and stop hormone replacement therapy. A trans woman may face so much discrimination that she represses her identity. And some trans people medically reverse their transition to live as their sex assigned at birth.
These experiences are all part of a process known as detransitioning. Although detransitioning does not have a consistent social or academic definition, it generally applies to someone who has sought a gender transition and then stopped, shifted or reversed aspects of it. Their experiences offer a deeper look at how discrimination and gender norms impact our lives, how gender-affirming care can be improved, and how identity is perhaps more fluid than previously thought.
As experts work to understand detransitioners, their vulnerabilities and their highly individualized needs, their identities are being co-opted as part of a national campaign against transgender rights. Health care access and research are being blocked by politicians for both trans people and detransitioners — while anti-trans rhetoric puts everyone at risk.
The Federal Trade Commission and the Justice Department are investigating gender-affirming care as medical fraud, and they are rooting this effort in detransitioners’ stories that fit the narrative the Trump administration wants to advance. The White House wants the National Institutes of Health to study “regret” and “detransition,” even as it cuts any federal funding for research that mentions the word “trans.” The U.S. Department of Education hosted a “Detrans Awareness Day” event last March. Meanwhile, its functions have been severely undermined by layoffs and budget cuts.
The White House and agencies like the Justice Department claim that gender-affirming care is mutilating children, overlooking that young trans people live happily after transition and the studies showing that adolescents who regret transition are in the minority. Government officials describe trans people and detransitioners as victims of a medical conspiracy to boost profits and force gender ideology on families. Now, they are seeking evidence to prove those claims by subpoenaing hospitals for patients’ private data, including doctors’ notes, patient addresses and Social Security numbers.
Gender-affirming care has been broadly endorsed by the medical community for its effectiveness in treating gender dysphoria, a persistent distress felt when one’s body is out of sync with their identity. The 2022 U.S. Trans Survey, which polled over 92,000 trans and nonbinary people 16 and older, found that social and medical transition were profound sources of life satisfaction. Experts and advocates agree that more research and more understanding are needed to improve trans medical care. But under Trump, they also expect transgender and intersex health to keep getting worse, not better.
The 19th spoke with two detransitioners who feel harmed and used by the Trump administration, which has positioned itself as a protector of those who detransition. Adriana lives in New York City, where she feels safe to express herself among so many LGBTQ+ people, but has struggled to access adequate health care. Ara lives in North Carolina, a state that has several laws restricting trans rights and health care access — and where support from a mental health program and her partner has helped her navigate the challenges of detransitioning. As politicians stoke fear about gender non-conformity, their experiences offer a deeper understanding of what it means to live authentically in a politically volatile time.
https://19thnews.org/2025/11/detran...itics-policy/?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us
Still, more young people have been exploring their identities, expanding the boundaries of gender and adding to the cultural and social norms surrounding it. Detransitioners’ experiences are part of that social evolution. Their stories of regret and pain exist alongside stories of joy and empowerment — and these are all part of a journey of self-discovery that may have turned out to be more complicated than they initially thought. The question is, will elected officials support them on this journey or cause more harm?
Manfred Belheim
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Because to be denied something on the grounds that you're "not cis" would be blatant discrimination based on your protected self-identification. So it's kind of an important thing to get right no?
(apologies for the rather late edit adding the following)
Yes. Are you saying there could be no other reason for banning certain drugs or treatment? The key word here is "because".
Again, yes, for the same reasons.
"A is withdrawn. A is used by B. Therefore A is withdrawn because of discrimination against B" is a logical fallacy, no matter how many examples you give.
You're calling that "gender-affirming healthcare" to imply an equivalence where none exists. In actuality that's just treating an abnormal physical development. That would be like categorising both the provision of artificial limbs to amputees, and the removal of healthy limbs for people with BID, as "limb-affirming care" and treating them as equivalent procedures.
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Cloud_Strife
Deity
They're denied access to puberty blockers because they are trans, stop being so disingenuous
Senethro
Overlord
That is standard terminology. There is an equivalence. You're a special kind of
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Lexicus
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I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
danjuno
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That's literally what it's called.
Cloud_Strife
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And then you wonder why you're treated with barely concealed contempt
Manfred Belheim
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Well yes of course, it's called that if you call it that. Doesn't alter the reason why you're calling it that. A quick google of "gynecomastia treatment" doesn't find any medical sites calling it that though. But sure, you can call it that if you like.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
What would you call it, dude who can't even grasp the basics.
You feel very strongly on an issue that you've shown very little understanding of so far, even when people have tried to hold your hand through some basic stuff you still feel the need to be contrarian and default to arguments that I've only ever seen anti trans bigots make.
We're talking about a persecuted minority group here, have some decency
You feel very strongly on an issue that you've shown very little understanding of so far, even when people have tried to hold your hand through some basic stuff you still feel the need to be contrarian and default to arguments that I've only ever seen anti trans bigots make.
We're talking about a persecuted minority group here, have some decency
danjuno
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The fact Manfred immediately popped up in the "Who's Here, Who's Not" thread to argue with LGBT users about them feeling unwelcome is telling.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
This site has an unfortunate history of anti-trans rhetoric being allowed, from site contributers, normal posters and others.
We're losing very good people, whilst unfortunately those contributing to that exodus remain and get to spread their bigotry
Well good for you, you're being consistent in being a pedantic asshat, then.
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The new New Zealand government are hateful snivelling bastards who want to inflict suffering on trans kids, apparently. The poison coming from the UK and US can have real consequences elsewhere.
They even announced this on Trans day of Remembrance.
www.abc.net.au
tikatangata.org.nz
They even announced this on Trans day of Remembrance.
NZ government's puberty blockers move attracts strong reactions
The New Zealand cabinet signs off on plans to halt new prescriptions for puberty blockers for young people with gender dysphoria from mid-December.
www.abc.net.au
New Zealand Ban on Puberty Blockers Raises Human Rights Concerns
The government’s ban on prescribing puberty blockers to trans youth not already receiving them is set to take effect next month. The Human Rights Commission warns this decision breaches international obligations, undermines Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and denies vulnerable rangatahi access to...
tikatangata.org.nz
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Zardnaar
Deity
The new New Zealand government are hateful snivelling bastards who want to inflict suffering on trans kids, apparently. The poison coming from the UK and US can have real consequences elsewhere.
They even announced this on Trans day of Remembrance.
NZ government's puberty blockers move attracts strong reactions
The New Zealand cabinet signs off on plans to halt new prescriptions for puberty blockers for young people with gender dysphoria from mid-December.
New Zealand Ban on Puberty Blockers Raises Human Rights Concerns
The government’s ban on prescribing puberty blockers to trans youth not already receiving them is set to take effect next month. The Human Rights Commission warns this decision breaches international obligations, undermines Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and denies vulnerable rangatahi access to...
On the plus side they're on track to be a one term government. Haven't had that since 1972. Elections less than 12 months away. One of the 3 parties in its starting to go rogue already so might not survive to end of term.
