[RD] LGBTQ News II

[Arwon]

Nearly 1 in 10 U.S. adults identify as LGBTQ, Gallup survey finds

The percentage of U.S. adults who identify as LGBTQ or something other than heterosexual increased to 9.3%, from 7.6% in 2023.

www.nbcnews.com

based on (and linked to in the article)

LGBTQ+ Identification in U.S. Rises to 9.3%

LGBTQ+ identification among U.S. adults has increased to 9.3%.

news.gallup.com

Notably (from the NBC story, as it doesn't show in the Gallup blurb and I presume it's in the pay-for actual Gallup survey results):



So presumably the overall percentage will eventually level out above 4%.

This Gallup survey looks like is getting about double the estimates from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (based on combining the samples of a number of large population surveys to get a big enough sample of queer respondents).

Estimates and characteristics of LGBTI+ populations in Australia, 2022

Data on gender, trans and gender diverse, sexual orientation, and people born with variations of sex characteristics

www.abs.gov.au

A big part of the difference seems to be a lot more people reporting bisexuality in Gallup in the US than on ABS social surveys. Gallup has about 2x as many bi respondents vs the ABS getting roughly the same number bi as gay.

Age profiles are pretty similar. For trans and gender diverse people, the youngest age group is coming in at about 2% and tailing off from there to be about 1% of the total population.

 

[JohannaK]

Apparently 30% of young people (18-24 y/o) in Spain self-report as LGBTQ, with about 24% declaring themselves bisexual. Within the global population, it's about 10% LGBTQ people.

Article in Catalan:

Tres de cada deu joves no són heterosexuals

La població d'entre 18 i 24 anys és en la que hi ha més persones bisexuals i homosexuals

naciodigital.cat

 

[IglooDame]

Trump/Hegseth are kicking ALL trans folk out of the military, per the DoD policy shown in court documents.

No, Trump's Trans Military Ban Does Not Have A "Waiver" For Openly Trans People Serving

The "waiver" being reported at many outlets for Trump's transgender ban is actually a "waiver" for people who have never transitioned, and are willing to stay closeted.

www.erininthemorning.com

And some news sources are reporting "...unless individuals are granted a waiver." Those news sources are being either deliberately or unintentionally misleading, because the waiver requires the individual to have not reported any gender dysphoria in the last 3yrs, never attempted to transition, and will continue presenting as their gender assigned at birth. Which is effectively no one.

 

[SemiLazyGamer]

Iowa has just removed state trans civil rightsprotections that have been in place since 2007.

Iowa lawmakers pass bill removing trans civil rights protections, sending it to governor

Protesters filled the Iowa Capitol on Thursday as lawmakers passed a bill removing gender identity from the Iowa Civil Rights Act.

www.desmoinesregister.com

 

[Perfection]

Some updates on how transwomen in federal prisons are being treated.

 

[IglooDame]

So, anyone who has told me "oh they just want to protect the kids" can... go do something physiologically impossible to themselves.

Texas Legislature Online - 89(R) History for HB 3399

The bill's author literally just lined out "child" everywhere in the (passed) bill that denied all gender-affirming medical care to minors and denied public money to any org that provided GAMC to them, and edited the existing bill to apply it to adults.
It ever so graciously allows transgender adults who are on HRT to be weaned off their HRT if prior to starting that HRT have had 12 counseling sessions within a six month span . If they haven't hit that counseling checkbox they don't get the privilege of weaning, they're just cut off. And wait, it gets worse - they make no provision for trans adults who have had bottom surgery already. If this were to pass and post-op not-enough-counseling me lived in Texas, they'd cut off my hormone treatment even though my original source of hormones has itself been cut off and medically incinerated.

This bill explicitly aims to medically detransition every trans adult in Texas. I'm vaguely surprised that they don't mandate 'corrective' surgery for post-op folk.

Now on the other hand, whackjob state legislators are forever introducing never-could-possibly-pass bills that get national attention even though they have zero chance of even making it through a committee's first reading, and I'm usually the first one to note that and urge folks to not overreact. But given current circumstances, this bill does have a very depressingly non-zero chance of making it into law in Texas.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

They want us dead. If anyone disagrees, feel free to explain why blocking trans affirming care isn't a form of oppression, be it by making our lives untenable, or pushing us to detransition or even suicide

 

[Methos]

They want us dead. If anyone disagrees, feel free to explain why blocking trans affirming care isn't a form of oppression, be it by making our lives untenable, or pushing us to detransition or even suicide

Relating to the provision of procedures and treatments for gender transitioning, gender reassignment, or gender dysphoria and the use of public money or public assistance to provide those procedures or treatments.

Italics are mine.

I have not read the bill, but from its description above its not stating its blocking it, just the use of public funds. If someone wishes to use their own money, it's still allowed.

 

[Arwon]

Italics are mine.

I have not read the bill, but from its description above its not stating its blocking it, just the use of public funds. If someone wishes to use their own money, it's still allowed.

That's a selective or bad faith reading, and I'm not sure why you felt it was appropriate to post in this thread given Igloo explained the contents.

Multiple sections of the Act describe trans healthcare as an outright prohibited activity.

It goes on to specifically prohibit the prescription of testosterone or estrogen for gender transition unless for the purpose of "weaning" someone (ie detransitioning a transitioned trans person).

The stuff about public money is secondary, and likely fronted in the description to dupe people who just glanced at it like you admittedly did.

Not that prohibiting public funding of healthcare is not heinous in and of itself.

 

[CKS]

No, if you read the bill it prohibits all gender-affirming care, unless it is done for cis people.

 

[Lexicus]

Italics are mine.

The first word you italicized was "and", lol

 

[Methos]

That's a selective or bad faith reading, and I'm not sure why you felt it was appropriate to post in this thread given Igloo explained the contents.

I agree it was a bad faith reading on my part, but as to trusting someone at their word I would have to disagree. Never trust someone's word that is biased, even if you agree with their bias.

The Bill

After looking at Section 161.704 I can see your point.

 

[Ajidica]

That's a selective or bad faith reading, and I'm not sure why you felt it was appropriate to post in this thread given Igloo explained the contents.

Multiple sections of the Act describe trans healthcare as an outright prohibited activity.

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It goes on to specifically prohibit the prescription of testosterone or estrogen for gender transition unless for the purpose of "weaning" someone (ie detransitioning a transitioned trans person).

The stuff about public money is secondary, and likely fronted in the description to dupe people who just glanced at it like you admittedly did.

Not that prohibiting public funding of healthcare is not heinous in and of itself.

With words like "oophorectomy" and "metoidioplasty", I have to wonder if you could just stick made up words in there and they would believe it.

 

[choxorn]

I agree it was a bad faith reading on my part, but as to trusting someone at their word I would have to disagree. Never trust someone's word that is biased, even if you agree with their bias.

While I'd generally agree with verifying what someone said, come on, man, Cloud's "bias" is that she has a lot of lived experience with people being bigoted against her and that she has to deal with legal precarities, same with all of the other trans people in this thread, which means they, out of their own safety, have to be very aware of these sorts of things. You don't have to think Igloo or Cloud or anyone else is always right about these things but you should at least understand that they probably know more about this topic than you and ask yourself whether you're really sure about it if you think you're right and they're wrong about something.

Good on you for changing your mind when Arwon posted the relevant bit again, though.

 

[SemiLazyGamer]

Montana state Representative Zoey Zephyr manages to stop an anti-drag and a bill that would take trans kids away from their parents by making a passionate speech that got a few Republicans to flip.

Which comes a day after a 25 year statue of limitations bill on gender affirming care was brought down to just 4 years.

https://bsky.app/profile/erininthemorning.com%2Fpost%2F3ljq55baqlk2a

https://bsky.app/profile/erininthemorning.com%2Fpost%2F3ljq5st3ozk2d

https://bsky.app/profile/erininthemorning.com%2Fpost%2F3ljq63shatk27

 

[Ordnael]

I don't wanna come across as that guy again, but I understood nothing. Over here at the other side of the pond on this backward but, still, lovable sunny place we don't talk about such "potential" issues, I guess we never came across them...yet. So I would appreciate if someone so kindly explains in simple words what does a drag ban mean? They are banning drags frow doing what? where?
The removing trans kids from their parents!? What is this? Was the state removing (or about to remove) trans kids from parents?
You really take lgbtq+ and trans laws and debates over the moon over there!!!

 

[Arakhor]

This is what happens when it becomes socially acceptable to demonise a particular demographic (and we know from painful experience what the ultimate expression of that demonisation is).

 

[Cloud_Strife]

This is what happens when it becomes socially acceptable to demonise a particular demographic (and we know from painful experience what the ultimate expression of that demonisation is).

For example you can see it play out on this very forum wrt trans "issues" and how acceptable it is to say unhinged **** that is comparable to homophobic arguments used to justify the repression of gay, lesbian, bisexual and queer people

 

[IglooDame]

I don't wanna come across as that guy again, but I understood nothing. Over here at the other side of the pond on this backward but, still, lovable sunny place we don't talk about such "potential" issues, I guess we never came across them...yet. So I would appreciate if someone so kindly explains in simple words what does a drag ban mean? They are banning drags frow doing what? where?
The removing trans kids from their parents!? What is this? Was the state removing (or about to remove) trans kids from parents?
You really take lgbtq+ and trans laws and debates over the moon over there!!!

Drag = RuPaul and similar, essentially "genderbending as performance art". The bans variously refer to 'drag shows' which tend to be adult-ish, 'performers in drag' doing other public activities (reading children's books to kids at library events, for one typical example) and sometimes the bans deliberately or out of not caring overshoot and try to ban wearing the clothes of the "opposite sex" in public.

Removing trans kids from parents: Since some folks especially in the trumpist realm have labeled providing gender-affirming medical care to kids (puberty blockers, eventually HRT, and in a handful of 17yearolds' cases, top or bottom surgery) as dangerous, mutilation, inflicting their agenda on their kids etc, then it follows that they think parents who do so are committing child cruelty and unfit to be parents, thus their kids should be taken away and put with relatives or up for adoption etc.

I've been called all kinds of hideous pedo/groomer sorts of things by trumpists purely on the basis of me being transgender, so it doesn't really take much for them to want to save the poor children who otherwise would be happy correctly-sexed humans from their evil woke commie parents.

 

[Ordnael]

I am trying to be as respectful as possible, specially for you @IglooDame, but I can't condone child indoctrination on sexual education before reaching a teenage age...but if an event like "drag library time" is of voluntary admission only, then I see no harm in that...heck teenage me would probably have loved going to such an event...maybe even trying dressing drag for fun.

The taking away kids from parents that might be reaching for life altering hormone treatment/surgeries just for social score on social media without properly taking them kids through the many doctor appointments to verify if the child is truly suffering from gender dysphoria (are there medical analysis to factually point out gender dysphoria like brain scan, hormone analysis?...legit question) is a very far harsh decision...but I could agree with it if the child truly doesn't want to go to procedures that will alter gender and the parents are just forcing the issue on a "whim". I've seen the "proud parents" social media posts and headlines for trans kids...but, oh, they feel so wrong...If I ever am blessed with a child, and if child develops a gender dysphoria issue I would provide support as much as possible but I would never go on social media looking for social score on "look at my trans kid ain't i cool or what!?"
Unfortunately regrets on going through with life altering hormone treatment/surgeries over a badly diagnosed gender dysphoria end up on issues all through life and even depression and suicide, something that sometimes appears the community tries to hide and that's is wrong!

Conservative me will accept adults with bottom surgery in any women space, competition, field...the rest is just "cheating/abusing" the system. Human rights should cover the rest...I hope.