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Lib Dem leader says - Extradite US soldiers!

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ComradeDavo, Oct 25, 2006.

  1. zulu9812

    zulu9812 The Newbie Nightmare

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    The sheer frequency of capitalising this particular word (as opposed to Particular, for example) and the fact that it required two keys suggests a Freudian slip.
     
  2. plarq

    plarq Crazy forever

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    You're a nightmare after all, by suggesting we have a sub-conscious agenda in favor of War on Terror (delibrately capitalised).
     
  3. zulu9812

    zulu9812 The Newbie Nightmare

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    Not necessarily. As I said, sometimes the word or phrase is deliberately capialised so as to draw attention to and critique it.
     
  4. bhsup

    bhsup Deity

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    I don't quite follow that. What if, for example, a British citizen and an American citizen were both vacationing in Japan and one killed the other (it doesn't really matter which). Where should they be tried? Japan, the UK, or the US? Obviously, Japan is the answer.

    Now, I realize that particular situation doesn't really match this one. I simply used it to point out that simply being the citizen of country "X" does not really mean anything if that citizen is outside the borders of country "X".

    As far as the extradition treaty goes, I've not read it, but I do have to say that it does seem a bit odd (to put it mildly) to extradite someone from the UK whose crime was committed in the UK against a UK company. YOu all should probably have your Parliment take another look at that law.
     
  5. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    So, you think Iraq should try the guy? I bet you answer no, the U.S. military should do so. Who would you suggest try a British soldier that killed a U.S. journalist in Iraq? What if the British government wasn't prosecuting?
     
  6. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    I thought it was a proper noun?:confused:
     
  7. Verbose

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    Afaik part of the conditions under which the US troops are in Iraq is that Iraq has no jurisdiction over the US army.
    So there should be no point in the UK asking Iraq to open charges against these soldiers over this. I don't think Iraq can in fact do that.
    Which means US soldiers will only go on trial if the US authorities do it themselves, or extradites them to the UK.
    Somehow one feels the UK should get at least some kind of US preferential treatment here.
     
  8. amadeus

    amadeus The Choice of a New Generation

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    Lloyd, fully aware of the possible consequences, entered a war-zone; we should not be held responsible for the mistakes that he made.
     
  9. Peri

    Peri Vote early and vote often

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    So basically you are saying he got what he deserved. Nice one ally.
     
  10. amadeus

    amadeus The Choice of a New Generation

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    Did I send him to Iraq? No.
    Did I tell him to go to a battle zone? No.
    Did I tell him to follow the Iraqi military convoy? No.
     
  11. Peri

    Peri Vote early and vote often

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    But you are also absolving the soldiers of responsibility for their actions. One rule for you and one for the rest of us?
     
  12. Xanikk999

    Xanikk999 History junkie

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    In this case i agree with you Peri. It was a case of neglect on the soldiers part.

    But most of the time in a warzone collatoral damage should be acceptable and they should not try them.

    However from what zulu said it seems this is not the case this time.
     
  13. capslock

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    How do you figure the British Gov has jurisdiction over US Soldiers in a foreign war zone? Its not like he was killed while walking through downtown London or something.
     
  14. Norlamand

    Norlamand Procrastinator Rex

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    Don't let legalities like jurisdiction enter into the debate.....that might lead to rational evaluations and the like......no room for that crap here. Stick to the basics: America = evil, warmongering ; everyone else = good, peaceloving lambs.
     
  15. bhsup

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    You're selective quoting deleted the portion of that post which addressed that...

    That's correct, and completely in line with my previous post.

    Is said British soldier under British command at the time? Then the British should deal with it. If they don't prosecute? Not much to be done about it then.
     
  16. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    By that reasoning, the United States had no right to be mad about the sinking of the Lusitania, and the USS Maine disaster, while it has now, a hundred years later, been proved to be of American fault and not Spanish, was nothing to get choked up about, beacuse it didn't happen in American waters.
     
  17. plarq

    plarq Crazy forever

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    We now know that it's a war excuse, but Spanish won't ask US for Cuba and Phillipine. Golden rule 1: time can wash away justice.
     
  18. PrinceOfLeigh

    PrinceOfLeigh Wigan, England

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    Perhaps it would be wise to read the thread and look at the circumstances which are being discussed. Seems a more mature approach to make rather than slipping back into the old "Everyone Hates Us!" tantrum.
     
  19. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    Thats a bad comparsion and really has no bearing at all. Civilians killing each other in a civilian setting is far removed from US servicemen murdering a journalist in a war zone. And being a citizen of a country means everything if that person is outside of that country. Or do the US servicemen in Iraq not really represent the US?:crazyeye:

    It got signed because of pressure from your government!
     
  20. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    It's called journalism.

    You know, reporting whats going on.

    US soliders know that their will be journalists around. Yet still they targetted and killed him.

    I don't figure the British government has jurisdiction over US soldiers in foriegn war zones at all. I'm talking about the British legal system. A British citizen was killed by US troops in a war zone. It's thus fair that the British legal system deal with the murderer.

    Oh please, do get a grip. Stop whinging whenever someone critizes America or an American.
     

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