Lib Dems back migrant 'amnesty'

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Lib Dems back migrant 'amnesty'

The Lib Dems say immigration is an opportunity, not a threat
Plans to offer a "selective" amnesty to illegal immigrants in the UK have been backed at the Lib Dem conference.
Home affairs spokesman Nick Clegg said it was "absurd" to suggest the 500,000 people in Britain illegally could all be deported - at £11,000 a head.

Instead after 10 years they should get the right to earn citizenship, he said.

The Tories said the Lib Dems were "living in a fantasy world" while Labour said it would be "a strong pull for waves of illegal immigration".

The government says it does not know how many illegal immigrants are in the UK. However, pressure group Migration Watch puts the figure at between 515,000 and 870,000.

'Fantasy politics'

Mr Clegg said it was "fantasy politics" to discuss mass deportation of the "underclass" of people who do not pay tax, lack employment rights and access to healthcare and banking - when the government does not know where most of them are.

Rather than spend billions trying to deport them all, it would be better to have a new border police force and focus enforcement efforts on people traffickers and criminals, he said.

And people who have settled in the UK with their families should be given a chance to become citizens.

Under the Lib Dem plan they would have to pass language tests, demonstrate a long-term commitment to the UK and have no criminal record.

There would also be a charge - possibly of several thousand pounds - or a requirement do community service.

Illegal immigrants would be given an "earned route" to citizenship, beginning with a two-year work permit.

'Twilight world'

Party president Simon Hughes said it would end "the perpetual twilight world for those who have been here for so long".

A Lib Dem source denied the plan would lead to an increase in illegal immigration - but admitted it would not go down well with anti-migration campaigners.

Mr Clegg said while the Tories and Labour were locked in a "nasty" bidding war over who could be the toughest on immigration, the Lib Dems should stand up for "freedom, tolerance and diversity".

"I do not think our party should ever be cowed into silence by fear of controversy," he said.

But for the Tories, shadow immigration minister, Damian Green said it was the Liberal Democrats who were living in a "fantasy world".

"These proposals will encourage people to break the law and enter the UK illegally.

He added: "This will send out a message that Britain's borders are well and truly open to everyone in the world."

ID cards

And for the government, immigration minister Liam Byrne said the introduction of compulsory ID cards would make things tougher for illegal immigrants.

He added: "I believe those here illegally should go home - not go to the front of the queue for jobs and benefits.

"That's why we're now deporting someone every eight minutes and doubling our frontline enforcement resources."

The Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants congratulated Mr Clegg for promoting "a reasonable debate on an issue which is all too often the subject of emotive sound bites".

But chief executive Habib Rahman said the 10-year threshold was too high and recommended a seven-year minimum instead.

"This would logically build on the seven-year policy which already exists for migrants who can demonstrate family relationships, including to children, in the UK," he said.

The Lib Dems also wants work permits for non-EU nationals to be made more expensive for employers, so the money can be spent on training up British workers for other jobs.

On the second full day of their annual conference, the Lib Dems backed proposals to cut the basic income tax rate by 4p, scrap council tax and increase green taxes - including a £10 charge on short haul flights and £2,000 road tax for gas-guzzling vehicles.
Very sensiable talk from the Lib Dems in regard to illegal immigration, we need to face up to reality that these illegal immigrants are here and that (as they say) it would be absurd to send them all back. It is ridiculus to say an idea like this would 'engrourage' illegal immigration, it's clearly designed for those who have been here for many years all ready and it's something Britain should deal with in a senisnale manner.

This idea exactly demonstrates why i'll continue to support the Liberal Democrats.
 
If Britain is anything like the United States, I predict that this will give amnesty to the illegals but do nothing to stop future illegal immigration. Then in 20 years the they will have the same problem again.
 
Get rid of them now while you can. Rewarding criminals is never a good idea.
 
So uhhh... did it cost the illegals of Briton 11,000 pounds to get there in the first place?

Make them pay for their way back to where they came from.

Lib-Dems like illegals because they represent votes.
 
I think natural law comes before unjust law, thanks - Bill3000

So keeping riffraff out of your country is unjust huh?
 
Get rid of them now while you can. Rewarding criminals is never a good idea.

It is already too late. There are already millions of Muslims in the country and they're all going to breed faster than the English.
 
So uhhh... did it cost the illegals of Briton 11,000 pounds to get there in the first place?

Make them pay for their way back to where they came from.

Lib-Dems like illegals because they represent votes.
Not only are you cynical and cruel, your also comepletly foolish for your assumption this is purely for votes as it will (as the Lib Dems aknowledge) alienate the anti-immigration crowd.
 
It is already too late. There are already millions of Muslims in the country and they're all going to breed faster than the English.

Then clearly, the English are inferior, as they can't do something as simple as breed properly.
 
Let the market decide. - Bill3000

Markets don't decide who terrorists are. Markets don't decide who extremists are, or if they have terrorist ties. Markets don't decide if you have hepatitis, or malaria, or AIDS, or tuberculosis. Market's don't decide if you're going to have a way of supporting yourself.

But the visa process and immigration process sure does.

immigrants = riffraff now? - downtown

Not all immigrants are riffraff, but some are. That's why every nation on the face of the earth does its best to secure its borders and has an immigration process.

Not only are you cynical and cruel, your also comepletly foolish for your assumption this is purely for votes as it will (as the Lib Dems aknowledge) alienate the anti-immigration crowd. - Davo

How am I cruel? If it's cruel for them to pay their own back to where they came from, then it's also cruel for them to pay their way to get to the UK in the first place. Perhaps we need an overt program that 100% compensates anyone who wants to go live in the UK since it's expensive and cruel to get there. What do you say?

It's all about votes. First you let them stay. Then you get them to be citizens. You have a voting block for life. Then you start bringing over their family members...man...what a voting block.

This why Democrats and Republicans (deep in their hearts) alike want amnesty in America. Because whoever grants amnesty, and citizenship to these people, will have votes for life.
 
Markets don't decide who terrorists are. Markets don't decide who extremists are, or if they have terrorist ties. Markets don't decide if you have hepatitis, or malaria, or AIDS, or tuberculosis. Market's don't decide if you're going to have a way of supporting yourself.
Yes they do. As long as everyone goes through with their own rational self interest, then the market will reach equilibrium.
 
That makes no sense...

Not to mention, it lacks rationality.
 
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