Has anybody managed to get Liberalism finished by 1 AD or earlier on Noble+? I've been following some guidelines on the Apolyton forums: ****** 1) Reasearch Meditation (rel civs start with it) 2) Try to build stonehenge (doing this after you have your first 2 workers seems best, if not industrious best to skip this step) 3) Reasearch bronze working, polytheism and pottery 4) Get granaries in your cities 5) Reasearch mysticism, priesthood. 6) Try to build the oracle and get code of laws instantly with it (otherwise just research it (~10 turn setback if you miss)) 7) Start reasearching towards music (this order: writing->maths then alphabet->literature) 8) Try to build the great library (will give you lots of great scientists) or the national epic 9) Use your first great prophet to instantly get civil service (as long as you dont have masonary you can get civ service with a great prophet) 10) Ok here is where we branch a bit depending on circumstance. In your cap you will want to have another great person by this point. The great person can be either an artist, a prophet or a scientist - it doesn't matter as one way or the other they will all give you education. Do what you need to to get a second great person out (2 wonders will tend to do it even with a non-phi civ, although use caste or a library for a great scientist if you want) Scientist: If you got a scientist research philosophy and then use the scientist to get edu. Research music and then use the artist to get nationalism. Research liberalism and use it to get mil tradition . Prophet: If you got a prophet research music the old fasioned way. Then use the artist from music to hurry education. Then use the prophet to get philosophy (have to get philosophy after the aritst is used for edu or the artist will want to get nationalism). Research nationalism and then liberalism and then get mil tradition. Artist: If you get a great artist research music the old fasion way (now have 2 great artists). Use 1 great artist to get education. Research philosophy and use the other great artist to get nationalism. Research lib and get mil tradition. ***** A shorter one is to focus on Great Scientists and use them to pop for Paper, Education, Philosophy, and Liberalism. I haven't been able to get either done yet before the 500s AD. One thing I'm not sure of is if I should be trying to make a second city or not. Something else is if the Oracle is really required and what is the best tech to use it on.