So everyone knows the general direction over the next 7-8 turns is winning the liberalism race. Cav think we have no chance at it, because we are maxed out . The truth is we are just warming up. That or they are playing dumb. So firstly, Is Liberalism that important? Yes, it really is. This has the effect of the Oracle, that changed the game for us then. this will now. Our is now the fastest, and we still havn't palace jumped yet or built an academy. So Getting Liberalism means we become Techs leaders in the game for the first time (about 6 turns after we get it) How Close is the Chimera Team? (Kaz, Cav & MS) Well recent intel suggests that Kaz is researching, and MS and Cav are saving gold. Which tells us that Kaz will research philo, and Education (using 1 or 2 GS bulbs to do it). Then Cav will deficit research with thier huge empire. Currently they have ~750 saved. Which means Lib is taking them 5-6 turns to research. So every turn that Philo and Education don't fall this gets easier for us. Kaz might be really smart and taken a page from our book where they have researched philo to within 1 bulb and are waiting to overflow into edu somehow. Does this worry us? Well we have simmed it out, and Krill will put the numbers down...but we are like I said above 7-8 turns away right now, and this is with minimal effort. We are 10 turns away if FC and CK don't support the research. (i.e. unit builds) So how fast can we get? Well it is possible that we go from making our current 375 a turn to well over 500 Options to speed it up are: 1. Go to Golden Age 2. Run Scientists everywhere and starve 3. Research compass and bulb Liberalism (this is very backdoor) If we really pushed it we coudl get Liberalism in 3 turns. I.E. T125. Now that is a little ...and woudl cripple our empire pretty hard, but it is possible. So basically at this point we have to react to how Cav & Kaz play, but the optiosn are there. How far do we want to go to Get Lib?