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Libyans storm American consulate and murder Ambassador

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Quackers, Sep 12, 2012.

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  1. DinoDoc

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    Do you believe a civil society existed in these countries (Egypt and Libya) before the revolution? I don't. If you disagree, please say why? Do I need to inform you what a civil society is or was it merely the qualifier of functioning that provided your confusion?
     
  2. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    Perhaps you could explain what a civil society is, what does it mean that it functions, and why it's necessary for "democracy."

    Then qualify why Egypt and Libya don't have one whereas Germany and Japan c. 1945 did.
     
  3. LordRahl

    LordRahl The Objectivist

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    The 'Mohamed video' was not the reason for the violence. It was an excuse for the violence.
     
  4. Inhalaattori

    Inhalaattori Emperor

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    This of course is the truth and I'm disappointed that media doesn't seem to understand this. Its another excuse to some Muslim fundamentalists to lift their profile and feed anti-Western sentiments in their countries.
     
  5. Flying Pig

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    Normally I would be inclined to agree, but I think that if any country had done that, there would have been similar protests. The USA has quite a good reputation in Libya after the revolution, after all.
     
  6. jtb1127

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    How's about you go back and read my first post since it seems you forgot what it said?
     
  7. hobbsyoyo

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    You think the US after our civil war was a decent place where everyone got along and no random acts of violence happened?

    What does your statement even prove?
     
  8. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
    Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.

    February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
    Truck bomb kills 17.

    February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
    Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

    July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
    Suicide bomber kills two.

    December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
    Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

    March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
    Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

    September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
    Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

    January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
    A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

    July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
    Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

    March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
    Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.

    September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
    Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
     
  9. useless

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    no you see, those dont count because bla bla
     
  10. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    No US civilians were ever killed by terrorist under president Bush.
    Plus its only a failure and disgraceful if it happens under a democratic president.
     
  11. Arwon

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    What in the hell are you people arguing about at this point anyway?
     
  12. useless

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    because people seriously believed obama apologised (when he obviously didn't)
     
  13. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    How Obama organized a terrorist attack on a US embassy. :mischief:
     
  14. Crezth

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    I don't know. This thread sucks.
     
  15. aelf

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    I'm afraid that was the point, really.

    At some point you realise arguments don't work on some people and you resort to satire.
     
  16. Joecoolyo

    Joecoolyo 99% Lightspeed

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    It really does. I'm honestly thinking of opening a new thread, considering these events are getting bigger and more serious by the day. I mean, the Muslim Brotherhood and a Salafist organization in Egypt just called for a million-man march on Cairo. Its a massive waste of a million man march considering it's just a crappy youtube video, but still, important nonetheless.
     
  17. DinoDoc

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    :D

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html
     
  18. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    Wasn't that the rationale for the Bush administration? That any deficiencies that GWB had would be overcome by far more brilliant advisors?

    How did that work out? How can someone who is incompetent possibly select good people, much less lead them?
     
  19. Berzerker

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    thats an evil religion you got there, pal
     
  20. lovett

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    I think that this view should be called out for what it is.

    It is a reprehensible view. It is a despicable and immoral view. It represents an utter lack of concern for one's fellow man. It represents an abrogation of the most basic of one's moral obligation and an abandonment of human decency. In short, it is a view which should be rejected with all possible force.

    If we are to take Dino seriously, we should stand by in the face of genocide. We should do nothing whatever the human cost, as long as it is not in our interests to intervene. If we are to take Dino seriously we should aid and abet governments which kill their own people. We should support and succour such governments just as long as it helps us to do so. Indeed, if we are to take Dino seriously we might as well cut out the middle man; we should yield to restraints in neither war nor politics. If it is in our interests to poison children or massacre cities then are foreign policy should enact just that.

    It is on this view, or one very much like it, arguments were made to ignore the genocide in Rwanda. Millions of people have died because people have held the view to which Dino ascribes. If this view had won the day Britain would have massacred Gandhi in 1928 and allied with Germany in 1940. If this view had won the day the US would never have given up the Philippines and there would have been no embargo against Apartheid South Africa. Thankfully, it did not.

    Dino has said that there is absolutely no fashion in which foreign policy or military intervention should be governed by morality. That when engaging in such things we should care not a whit for our moral obligations. We should show none of the characteristic moral concern owed our fellow man. His view is like that of the unscrupulous murder, who when asked how he could possibly do the things that he did, wonders aloud how his interlocutor is so blinded by morality not to see the clear light of his own self-interest. In Dino's view nations should act like that; nations should not be blinded by the allure of morality but instead pursue the golden path of self-interest.

    As I said, this view should be rejected with all possible force. Anybody with a shred of human decency should discard it as the reprehensible piece of drivel it is. Anyone with an ounce of moral sensibility should leave it, and its exponents, well enough alone.
     
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