lies... good lies, but lies...

[Pellaken]

ever watch one of them police shows? the crooks running away in his car, a cop car moves in its way to stop it, he moves to go around it, clips the car, and the announcer is like "assult with a deadley weapon" or "he just tried to kill that cop"
if you ask me, these are lies. he's trying to run the **** away! thats not a good thing, but dont go starting stories about how he nearley avoided, etc, when he dident.
it just makes me mad

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

While such collisions are not nescessarily assault, just fleeing from the police is a crime in almost all jurisdiction. In Texas is any sort serious dodily injury is caused by such flight, a very serious felony.

 

[Pellaken]

my point exactley

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Why is this on the history forum?

Moved to OT.

 

[damunzy]

If a bank robber is in the middle of robbing a bank and a guard shoots at him, misses, and kills an innocent woman do you know who is guilty? The bank robber. If the bank robber hadn't held up the bank then the gaurd would have never shot the poor lady. Same thing with car chases. If the person driving the car that is being chased after by the cops had pulled over instead of trying to get away he never would have endangered that cop's life. So really it is the crooks fault, and I can't see why you would try to stand up for them....

 

[Mr. Civ 3]

Originally posted by PaleHorse76
If a bank robber is in the middle of robbing a bank and a guard shoots at him, misses, and kills an innocent woman do you know who is guilty? The bank robber.

Haha America has a funny justice system

Thank GOD I'm European!

 

[damunzy]

What person involved in that situation would your country's courts find guilty? And what country are you from? and if the guard is found guilty please explain to me why this would be a good thing.

 

[Flatlander Fox]

*Prissy voice on*

"You forget PH76, that in Europe we don't have ANY guns, and that could NEVER happen anyway. Plus we don't have any robbers either, because we are a perfect society."

*prissy voice off*


If that's not it, what is it? Any European law experts?

 

[Pellaken]

I'm not standing up for the crook


YES, he endangeded the life of the cop. he dident try to murder him. lies lies lies... I was watching a cop show, about this dude, that ran off, and into a gas station, and almost blew it up. then, the cops knocked out the window, and you could hear loud music. atleast 3 people explained it as something like "he was pissed at his wife and ran away, with the loud music to drowned out his thoughts"
then, this new show, explained it as "he TURNED UP the radio as the cops came near"
LIES !!!!
I HATE that
had it been MY TV I would have tured it off then and there. I mean, tell the truth, geeze! is it so hard?

 

[VoodooAce]

I do think that is an assault on an officer.

You run your car into a cop's car you could hurt him. I know you're talking about a 'clip' or whatever, but where do you draw the line.

If the cop car slides in at the last second then that's different. If the cop car is just sitting there and you clip him while trying to get around, then yeah, you're assaulting that cop.

Problem with PaleHorse's example is that you can't even come close to charging the crook. But that guard has something to answer for for taking a chancey shot and taking an innocent llife.

The guard is the guilty one. I think that would be obvious in any country.

Of course, that's sticking firmly to the example. If the robber shoots first? That's a tough one.

 

[VoodooAce]

Originally posted by Flatlander Fox
*Prissy voice on*

"You forget PH76, that in Europe we don't have ANY guns, and that could NEVER happen anyway. Plus we don't have any robbers either, because we are a perfect society."

*prissy voice off*


If that's not it, what is it? Any European law experts?

Nobody ever says it never happens in Europe.

I say its only 100 or 500 times less likely to happen there. If we're talking armed bank robbery, here. Heck yeah, it happens less there.

How horrible for them.

 

[knowltok2]

I leave it to Lefty to correct any legal issues I get wrong, but IIRC, liability for ones actions is not defined by your intent to commit the crime, but your intent to commit the action. You didn't intend to kill someone, but you intended to shove them, and they fell on a garden implement and died, that is murder. It doesn't matter that you didn't mean to kill them, you did, and that is a crime. The same with the car. You meant to drive forward and speed away. That caused the cars to colide, therefore, assault.

For my part, I just want them to arrest one person who is wearing a shirt. I don't think that is too much to ask.

 

[Padma]

Let's not forget that in the US, jurisdiction also plays a role. What may be true in one community/city/state may not be true just across the river.

In Omaha, for instance, for a couple of years the cops were not allowed to engage in ANY high-speed chases. A criminal could escape just by stepping on the gas! This was because high-speed chases often ended in the criminal crashing, usually causing damage/injury/death. The victims would sue - the Police Dept.! After all, if they weren't chasing the criminal, he never would have crashed!

Fortunately, police are now allowed to 'use their discretion' about conducting chases. And if a chase DOES ensue, any additional crimes committed are tacked onto the original charges.

In any case, my original point was, if the guard kills an innocent bystander, who is guilty? Answer: it depends! And it depends on a lot of things, including on WHERE the incident takes place!

 

[Pellaken]

its not the law I'm mad at. the law is fine. if a cop car moves in at the last minute, and he clips it, then I'm ok with that being assult. its these ****in stipuid mother ****in ***holes of announcers who are like "he tried to kill him"

 

[Smash]

of course these shows try to dramatize and embellish what is happening.Trust me,when the culprits get to court,these "charges" do not appear cuz they are quite easy to cast a shadow on and no prosecuter will waste time on them.The police charge criminals with everything they can think of.A prosecuter then decides what charges are actually convictable..all others get the toss.Its all television.

Whats more concerning is why these people are running.There is no hope of escape.Since the vast majority of these come from the US,I would have to blame 3 strikes.This system provides a huge incentive to run.
3 strikes mean if you have a joint,you're looking at real prison time...might as well run...

 

[knowltok2]

I would suspect that the chances for escape are a bit higher than you estimate. I don't know, never having tried to outrun the police while not wearing a shirt, but I assume that it can be done. The success rate on these shows of catching the bad guy is only slightly lower than Superman's record, and that I find just a tad bit strange.

Out of curiousity, why do all those kids run in Britain in the traffic shows I have seen? It must be that nation's history of deporting criminals.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Police are only human, they love to drive above the speed limit as much as anyone, and they can do it legally too in a car chase.

We deported criminals to America too, so you can blame us for the USA's crime rate.