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Likely French Presidential Runoff Poll

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by mazzz, Apr 22, 2007.

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Who would you vote for?

  1. Nicolas Sarkozy

    37 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Ségolène Royal

    29 vote(s)
    39.2%
  3. Abstain

    8 vote(s)
    10.8%
  1. The Last Conformist

    The Last Conformist Irresistibly Attractive

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    Marine? The French do have strange names ... :crazyeye:

    Well, I wish her the worst possible luck for the 2012 elections then. :hatsoff:


    Edit:
    Who said politics was theatre again?
     
  2. Xenocrates

    Xenocrates Deity

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    It's a terrible choice. But to be honest I neither like nor trust Sarkozy.

    It seems the days are gone when the French would vote for non-photogenic candidates; they seem to be getting as superficial as the anglo-saxons.

    We'd never vote for a guy with one eyebrow a hunched back and a lazy eye. At one time the French would - as long as he had a redeeming feature, such as being a womaniser. :)

    Vive la France!
     
  3. MamboJoel

    MamboJoel Cool.

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    Horrible choice. I voted Bayrou.

    I really don't think France needs socialism right now, it looks nice from the outside but it seems other countries in the world have left the present under the tree...
    I'm conviced Royal is not a social democrate, her positioning is too conservative on moral issues (family, military camps for delinquents etc...) and clearly too economically interventionist.
    Sarkozy is dividing the society, but Royal is only bringing people together in the sole project of beeing "anti-Sarkozy" which is not better IMO.
    Much of Sarkozy's project isn't conservative in fact, it's his looks that are, his personality. Besides I think his economical project is more realistic.

    So for now I can't vote this pool because I'm still hesitating between abstention and Sarkozy. I'm waiting for the debate on May 2.
     
  4. HannibalBarka

    HannibalBarka We are Free

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    Pretty much my feeling also, although I'm certainly voting Royal hoping she will bring the PS closer to the center. Did the two candidates accept the debate already ?
     
  5. Berrie

    Berrie Proud father

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    It's indeed a terrible choice. I normally vote left, but I don't trust Royal for some reason. Still, I would prefer here winning rather then Sarkozy...
     
  6. MamboJoel

    MamboJoel Cool.

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    Yes, they agreed on a debate on May 2, though the rules of the debate are... in debate ;)
    I hope it will be a real debate, not a US type debate (or French Socialist primaries type) with a real confrontation.
     
  7. Yoda Power

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    They both suck, but Sarkozy is what France need the most at the present time. At least as far as I can tell.
     
  8. Bozo Erectus

    Bozo Erectus Master Baker

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    Im torn, I want Sarkozy to win, but I dont think I can stand 5 years of American and British reporters expectorating as they struggle to pronounce his last name in French.
     
  9. nonconformist

    nonconformist Miserable

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    If Sarkozy wins the banlieus will riot! :yeah:
     
  10. Yeeek

    Yeeek Seizing The Day

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    Why not? There are peolpe named France over here. How's that? :p

    I would put money on it. Some guys will light up cars for the heck of it, if he gets elected.



    Anyway, I still don't know who I will vote for. I didn't voted for either of them at the first round.
     
  11. Marla_Singer

    Marla_Singer United in diversity

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    MamboJoel, I'm ready to follow you, but I can't help wondering : How being anti-"someone representing a third of French people" is bringing people together ?

    Anyway, more seriously speaking, I agree with your post. The big problem is that none of the 3 parties of the governing left-wing have really modernized. To say thing shortly, if the communist party would have modernized, it would have someone like Olivier Besancenot as leader. If the Green party would have modernized, it would have someone like Nicolas Hulot as leader. If the socialist party would have modernized, it would have someone like François Bayrou as leader.

    Besancenot, Hulot and Bayrou have all noticed the world has changed, and take this into account. The problem is the "traditional" left-wing parties didn't have the courage to accept this. They feared too much to alienate their voters, or their members, in doing so. They've picked an easier strategy in this election consisting in making of the right wing candidate a kind of monster. But is this enough a program to be elected ?

    Nicolas Sarkozy is not a racist, he's not a fascist, he's not an eugenist. All these crazy accusations are only there to hide the void of a traditional left-wing which hasn't put itself in question despite the tragedy of 2002.

    Sarkozy isn't racist. The only thing he wants is that anyone, no matter their colour of skin, could have at least a chance to prove his or her value, something which is not true today. How could youngsters from Clichy or Argenteuil could prove their value if they live in neighbourhoods which are rotten with crime ? And frankly, who is racist ? The one who wants to fight criminality or the one considering that fighting criminality is racist ?

    Anyway, if Sarkozy was really racist, would he be ready to support affirmative action as a way to give a chance for people of poorer neighbourhood to prove their value ? His affirmative action would be based on social criteria because he fears that a policy regarding ethnicities would sponsor communitarianism.

    Even the words Sarkozy is blamed to have said have actually been expressed in order to actually defend people from minorities ! We all remember Sarkozy has called for cleaning neighbourhoods with a kärcher, but do we remember in which context ? He said so after Sidi Ahmed, an 11 year-old kid, has been shot by a lost bullet while he was cleaning the family car as a gift for the father's day. When Sarkozy has expressed the word "racailles" (scums) to call criminals, he was answering to a mother of North African origin who used the exact same word !

    If Sarkozy was truely racist, would he have been that pissed off when Sidi Ahmed has been shot ? Would he have been that pissed off when Mama Galedaou has been burnt alive in a bus ?

    Frankly, all people accusing Sarkozy of being racist should ask themselves these questions.
     
  12. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    Ségolène Royal.

    I'm very left-liberal/social democrat and I support that idea and want it implemented in the UK as well.
     
  13. MamboJoel

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    Ok CD, but the majority of socdem find it pretty weird... Besides it would cost a real fortune. In front of this opposition from the left side, she ended up saying it was sending young delinquents in Africa (which is as expensive) with the military for humanitary issues. Personally, I don't think it's exactly the kind of support Africans want from us...

    PS Marla : you did not get it, I was exactly saying that it wasn't constructive to bring people together around an antagonism instead of a project :

    "Royal is only bringing people together in the sole project of beeing "anti-Sarkozy" which is not better IMO."
     
  14. ComradeDavo

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    Well, I don't know all the details that re being proposed, but I support the basica idea of military style camps for young delinquents because I have seen (and continue to see) first hand that there alot of kids about who are making peoples life a misery and whoa re only getting worse.
     
  15. Masquerouge

    Masquerouge Deity

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    I can only hope that the Green party will realize the sorry state it's in and try to improve from there. I mean, 1.5%? Come on!
     
  16. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    Thats pretty poor.

    By the way, can it be assumed that Le Pen's votes will go to Sarkozy? Or is it likely that many of them will stay home?
     
  17. Marla_Singer

    Marla_Singer United in diversity

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    The big problem of the French Green Party is that it still thinks environmentalism just like in the 70's. They believe the big problem is about the bad hunters, the construction of canals or the nuclear power. They didn't realize that global warming was an even more serious issue.

    That's the main reason why Nicolas Hulot has been so succesful during the campaign. For the first time in France, we were hearing someone talking seriously about global warming, and who made understood that the problem was too serious to not be thought about pragmatically.

    The French Green party, especially guys like Mamère, Baupin or Cochet, don't have a pragmatical approach of environmentalism. Somehow, the green party is still made of old hippies who are still nostalgic of their youth when they were all dancing nude in a field around a fire. The sad thing is that Dominique Voynet was one of the most pragmatist member of the Green party. I don't believe that she's the one deserving the most the pathetic score the Green party has made under her name.
     
  18. Steph

    Steph Multi Many Tasks man Retired Moderator

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    I'll vote Sarkozy
     
  19. ComradeDavo

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    Who did you vote for in the first round?
     
  20. Yeeek

    Yeeek Seizing The Day

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    Still don't know. Will most likely get a better opinion during the TV debate, on the May 2.

    I can't picture Royal as a President, not because of her gender (I could picture Michèle Alliot-Marie instead, to give an example) but not her. She'll def have to change her wardrobe first. . . :( :p

    And on the other side I'm not quite sure what has Sarkozy in mind as far as foreign policy is concerned.
     

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