LK168, Greece, Sid Attempt

[Elephantium]

1881 AD:

A single Vickers retakes Elath.

Battle of Samaria:
Vickers kill 3 Late Pikemen with 1 retreat and 2 losses. We get 9 workers.

I culture-bomb Tactical 06.

Battle of Joppa:
Armored Car reveals 2 Late Pikemen
A second Armored Car cracks the gates and rolls into town.
(I missed getting a screenie here, sorry)

I culture-bomb Tactical 04.

Battle of Shechem:
Armored Car reveals 2 Late Pikemen
A second one retreats...and a third one rolls into the town.

Battle of Shiloh:
Early Armored Car reveals 1 Late Pikeman and 1 Line Infantry.
A second one retreats, and a third finishes the job.

Battle of Beersheeba:
I was avoiding this because it's a new city, but I want Megiddo to be the last battle. It only takes 1 Armored Car.

Battle of Megiddo:
Vickers kills Late Pikeman
Elite Vickers kills Late Pikeman and generates Menelaus, who rushes a Factory in Irtjet
Vickers kills a late Pikeman

I cancel the MPP with the Incas.

We have 10 turns left on our deals with Brazil and Scandinavia.

OK, this might hurt...

Battle of Santander:
Vickers kills Rifleman
Vickers kills Rifleman

Battle of Asturias:
We lose 3 Vickers before we kill the defending Riflemen

Battle of Pamplona:
Early Armored Car reveals two Riflemen but dies in the attack
Horse Artillery rolls in and wipes them out

Artillery wipes out a stray Line Infantry on the road to...

Battle of Valencia:
Vickers runs over a Worker, promoting to elite, but then he retreats from the defending Rifleman
Vickers kill 3 Rifleman

 

[Elephantium]

1881 Continued...

Battle of Murcia:
Vickers kill 3 Riflemen, 1-2-3 and we're done

Enslaver captures enemy Worker and grabs a Steamroller besides.
Enslaver kills one and captures a second Worker from Spain.

Battle of Toledo:
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Rifleman
Vickers kills Rifleman
Vickers redlines HMG before dying in the attack. Not bad!
eVickers dies to redlined HMG
Vickers dies to redlined HMG
Vickers *narrowly* kills HMG

Heavy Artillery kill a Rifle and a Musketeer, then one retreats.
AT gun kills a Spanish Grenadier

IBT:

Spain bombards Toledo with a large fleet of airships, but they only attack with a single Early Heavy Tank who kills one of our defending Infantry.

We catch the Poles trying to plant a spy.

1882 AD:

First, AT gun kills Early Supertank

Battle of Seville:
Vickers kills Rifleman
Vickers dies, no damage
Vickers kills HMG
Vickers dies to redlined HMG
Vickers dies to the same redlined HMG and promotes it
Vickers dies to the same HMG
Vickers finally reduces the HMG

This feels a little desperate, but Seville is surrounded by Spanish culture. I need access to move troops, so I culture-bomb Toledo.
I also culture-bomb Seville.

Lawyer starts a lawsuit against Spanish lawyer and loses. He joins the Spanish as a presenter in shame.
Missionary nearly dies while trying to convert the Great Artist back to us as a Monk, but he succeeds.
Enslaver kills the Lawyer who started all this trouble.

Battle of Salamanca:
Early Armored Car dies vs. Spanish Rifleman
Two Vickers retreat and a third dies before we seize the city

Battle of Vitoria:
Early Heavytank retreats
Early Armored Car retreats
Early Armored Cars kill 4 Riflemen
Early Armored Car kills Late Pikeman
Lawyer kills Crossbow, revealing a Camel!
Hussar and Lawyer kill two Camels

Clearing the road to Zaragoza...
Heavy Artillery retreats vs. a Rifle on a mountain
A second Heavy Artillery finishes the job
Dragoon charges some Horse Artillery and generates a Leader! Patroclus rushes a Factory in Delhi
Early Armored Cars kill two more Horse Artillery

I culture-bomb Salamanca.

Battle of Zaragoza:
Early Armored Car reveals 4 Riflemen (and gets bombarded by arty) before retreating.
Early Armored Car kills Rifleman
Early Armored Car retreats
Early Armored Car dies vs. Rifleman
Early Armored Car kills Rifleman
Horse Artillery retreats
Vickers kills Rifleman
Vickers retreats
Vickers narrowly kills Rifleman
Lawyer dies vs. Camel
Vickers narrowly kills Camel
Vickers kills Heavy Artillery

Enslaver kills Worker and captures Steamroller (2 workers!)

Battle of Barcelona:
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Rifleman
Vickers kills Rifleman
Vickers kills conscript Rifleman
Vickers kills Rifleman

Siege of Madrid:
Vickers kills Rifleman
Vickers kills Rifleman
Vickers dies
Vickers kills conscript Rifleman
VICKERS KILLS RIFLEMAN AND TAKES THE CITY!!!

Spain is ... not dead? Uh-oh...

OK, cleaning up in the field...
AT gun kills Spanish Rifleman
Flamethrower burns HMG
Flamethrower burns Musket Infantry
AT gun kills Rifleman
AT gun retreats
Vickers kills 3 Adventurers
Vickers kills 2 Camels
Partisan narrowly dies to Grenadier
Heavy Artillery kills Line Infantry
Heavy Artillery kills Conquistador
Heavy Artillery dies to Rifleman
Early Armored Car runs over Grenadier
Vickers kills MDI
Vickers kills Rifleman and captures Iberian Settler

Spain is STILL not dead!

Vickers narrowly dies to Partisan
Vickers kills the Partisan and a Rifleman

IBT:

Ooh, Spain wants to talk. They think we'll sign a straight-up peace!
We decline, so they attack:
One Artillery kills our Infantry
Rifleman forces our Vickers to retreat
Horse Artillery kills the Vickers
Horse Artillery retreats

I also see Spanish ships heading north along the coast near Old Israel.

Maghreb declares war on Brazil!

 

[Elephantium]

1883 AD:

Well, the houseboat bug hasn't sunk us. Spain is still alive, and I don't see a new capital from them. Too bad, I'll have to fight their army instead of immediately invading Inca.

I rebase a bunch of captured Zeppelins to avoid losing them in possible culture flips.

We get three Leaders while cleaning up a bunch of stray Spanish units. Agamemnon rushes a Factory in Zatju.
Thersites rushes a Factory in Ballana.
Myrmidons rushes a Factory in Fort Khatovar.

IBT:

Poland and Arabia sign peace
...and Poland immediately declares war on Arabia!
China wants to trade maps. Sure, if you throw in ... 57 gold.

We watch a lot of combat between Spanish and Incan forces. Spain kills several wounded Incan units, and then the Incas throw away about half a dozen Adventurers against Spanish Riflemen.

Brazil just entered the Industrial Ages.

1884 AD:

Well, Inca, we knew this day would come. It's war time.

Battle of Andahuaylas:
Early Armored Car reveals Villista and two Late Pikemen before dying to one of the pikes.
Dragoon dies to Villista
Vickers kills Villista
Dragoon dies to Late Pikeman
Vickers dies to Late Pikeman
Dragoon kills Late Pikeman
Hussar narrowly kills redlined Late Pikeman

This is interesting: The Inca have an exclave completely surrounded by our culture borders!



Battle of Vilcabamba:
Early Armored Car reveals 3 Late Pikemen and kills one.
Vickers finishes the battle

Battle of Vitcos:
Early Armored Car reveals 3 Villista and kills one.
3 Zeppelins bomb the city and ping one of the remaining Villista.
Vickers kills Villista
Vickers retreats
Dragoon kills wounded Villista

Battle of Tiwanaku:
Early Armored Car reveals 3 Villista and dies to one.
Vickers kills Villista and Adventurer
Vickers kills two Villista and captures a supply shipment

We find an Incan Lawyer while trying to put down the next tactical city, leading to a lawsuit. The enemy lawyer commits suicide rather than admit defeat.

Battle of Vilcas:
Early Armored Car reveals 3 Villista and a Cavalry which it promptly runs over.
1 Vickers retreats before we take the city

Battle of Ollantaytambo:
Early Armored Car reveals 3 Villista and a Cavalry (hey, haven't we done this before?)
No retreats from the Vickers this time.

Battle of Corihuayrachina:
Early Armored Car reveals two Late Pikemen and a Villista. Not too bad, except we lose the first elite Vickers trying to run over that Villista

Battle of Huamanga:
Early Armored Car attacks. 3 Villista and a Cavalry again!
The Vickers attacks go off without a hitch this time.

Now for the tough part. Cuzco:
4 Zeppelins manage to ping just 1 Villista
Early Armored Car reveals 6 Villista and kills one
Early HeavyTank kills a second
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Villista and reveals Euryalus, who rushes a Factory in Elath.
Vickers kills Villista
Vickers dies
Vickers kills a Villista and an Adventurer
Vickers kills Villista

 

[Elephantium]

1884 AD Continued...

We clean up some stray Incan units in preparation for the final

Battle of Machu Picchu:
Early Armored Car reveals 3 Villista and a Late Pikeman! Hey, the 3 Amigos have a different mascot this time
First, the Pikeman gets it.
Second, a Vickers dies to the first Villista. Whew!
Third, a Vickers dies to the second Villista
Fourth, a Vickers kills the third Villista
Fifth, an Early Armored Car kills a Villista
Sixth, an Early Armored Car kills a Villista
Seventh, an Early Armored Car kills an Adventurer and

Then we get the message. 27 resisters. I FORGOT ABOUT NASCA. I had been planning on killing Machu Picchu last to reduce the number of resisters!

We lose two Flamethrowers attacking Spanish units next to Ollantaytambo
We also lose an Early Armored Car fighting stray Adventurers

Battle of Nasca:
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Villista
Vickers kills Villista

Ugh, Incas are still alive. Houseboat civ #2.

We lose a couple of Artillery units cleaning up the countryside - lots of Spanish and Incan units running around their old border.

IBT:

Russia and Britain sign peace
Spain attacks with the two units I couldn't manage.
Xbow dies to our Vickers
But an Artillery kills a Vickers

ARG! Inca had an Adventurer that I missed. They retook Andahuaylas.

We catch Arabia sabotaging Meroe

1885 AD:

We retake Andahuaylas with a single Vickers, who also nets a Leader! Eumelus rushes a Factory in Pergamon

I try to steal from the Maghreb...



I upgrade all our veteran Early Armored Cars to Harley Scouts

Turkey (now Türkiye according to the diplomatic service) is now accessible from Fort Omega; they took Visby and Goteborg since last time I checked!

It's war time.

Liberation of Visby:
Early Armored Car reveals Sipahi, Grenadier, 2 Ottoman Musket Infantry, and 1 Ottoman Line Infantry. The AC does for the Sipahi (whose death animation is rather slow @Civinator), and 2 Vickers clean up the rest.

Cleaning up the outskirts...AT guns kill 3 Ottoman Musket Infantry.
A Vickers w/1 move left takes out a wounded Ottoman Rifleman.
AT gun (hey, they can attack twice!) kills a Genadier.
Lawyer converts wounded Eastern Cannon
Early HeavyTank kills Janissary Musketeer and dies against a second one.
Partisan finishes the guy off.

Liberation of Goteborg, opposed river crossing:
Early Armored Car reveals a LARGE occupation force: 2 Ottoman Rifleman, 5 Ottoman Line Infantry, 3 Ottoman Musket Infantry, Ansar Warrior (!?), Asian Crossbowman, Eastern Archer...and an Islamic Pikeman who quickly dies in the recon attack.
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers dies vs. Ottoman Rifleman
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman
Vickers dies vs. wounded Ottoman Rifleman
Vickers retreats vs. Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers dies after redlining an Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills Janissary
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Horse Artillery kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers dies to wounded Ottoman Rifleman
Early Armored Car kills Ottoman Rifleman
Early Armored Car kills Ottoman Line Infantry

We're actually out of attackers, so I wake up some 4/5 Vickers from the Barracks and continue the assault.

Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry and Eastern Archer
Vickers kills Asian Crossbowman and Ansar Warrior

Cleaning up the neighborhood a bit...

Early HeavyTank kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Early Armored Car retreats
Early Armored Car kills Ottoman Musket Infantry and generates Heracles, who rushes a Factory in Ephesus
Early Armored Car dies
Early HeavyTank kills Ottoman Musket Infantry, finishing the AC's job
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Enslaver kills Eastern Archer
Enslaver kills Asian Crossbowman
Vickers kills Janissary
Enslaver kills Assyrian Swordsman
Vickers dies
Vickers kills Eastern Cannon

IBT:

Poland and South Africa sign peace
Arabia and Australia sign peace
Scandinavia and Russia sign peace

Two Ottoman units die against our Infantry. Musket Infantry maybe? Their animation was shooting a gun, then throwing a grenade.
Ottoman Rifle dies on our Infantry
Ottoman Line Infantry dies on our Infantry
Another battle?
Musket Infantry dies on our Infantry
Two Musket Infantry kill our Infantry
Musket Infantry kills our Partisan and captures 5 workers

Our Wines deal ends.

1886 AD:

I buy Wines from Persia; all they want is Saltpeter.
Light Cruiser sinks Spanish Transport; they're still here
Second Light Cruiser sinks a Spanish Destroyer

Missionary converts Ottoman Sipahi (who has a very slow death animation)
Flamethrower dies vs. Ottoman Rifleman
AT Gun retreats vs. Ottoman Line Infantry
Artillery pounds Ottoman Musket Infantry
Artillery retreats
Artillery kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills 2 Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry and nets a Leader! Perseus rushes a Factory in Semna
Vickers Perseus retreats
Vickers kills Janissary Musketeer
Vickers kills Janissary Musketeer and Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Eastern Spearman

Liberation of Norrkoping:
Early Armored Car reveals a huge stack of 17 defenders: 2 Ottoman Rifleman, 5 Ottoman Line Infantry, Ottoman Sipahi, 2 Ottoman Musket Infantry, Islamic Pikeman, plus some ancient units. He kills the Pikeman and generates Theseus, who rushes a Factory in Kerma
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman and generates Achaens who rushes a Factory in Toshka
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers dies
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills 2 Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry and Janissary
Vickers kills Sipahi
Vickers kills Eastern Spearman
Vickers kills redlined Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills Asian Crossbowman
Vickers kills Eastern Archer
Vickers kills Eastern Archer
Enslaver captures Assyrian Swordsman
Lawyer kills Eastern Heavy Archer and recaptures our lost Workers!

Now for the tough part. We can see over 60 Ottoman units in the area

Clearing Norrkoping's surroundings
Vickers kills Janissary Musketeer
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills 2 Ottoman Musket Infantry and an Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills wounded Grenadier
Vickers kills redlined Ottoman Rifleman

Harley Scout kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Harley Scout retreats
Harley Scout dies
Harley Scout dies
Dragoon kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Conscript Infantry kills redlined Ottoman Musket Infantry, promotes

Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers dies
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Grenadier
Vickers dies
Vickers kills Islamic Pikeman
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry and Grenadier
Vickers kills Asian Crossbowman

Harley Scout dies
Harley Scout kills redlined Ottoman Line Infantry
Harley Scout retreats
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman
Harley Scout kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Harley Scout kills Janissary Musketeer
Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry and redlined Ottoman Line Infantry
Early Armored Car kills Adventurer
Early Armored Car kills Ottoman Rifleman and generates Achilles, who rushes Factory in Aniba
Early Armored Car retreats
Early Armored Car kills wounded Ottoman Line Infantry
Horse Artillery kills Ottoman Musket Infantry

Here's a screenshot of the front:



Vickers kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Janissary and generates Diomedes! He rushes a University in Ephesus.
One last attack, Early HeavyTank kills wounded Ottoman Line Infantry and generates ANOTHER Leader! Ajax rushes University in Madras.

IBT:

The rampaging Maghreb forces have destroyed South America!
Britain and Australia sign MPP
Maghreb and Spain sign peace

Production in Vientiane has been sabotaged

 

[Elephantium]

1887 AD:

Liberation of Karlskrona:
Harley Scout reveals 4 Ottoman Rifleman and 2 Sipahi, one of whom puts up a pretty good fight, for having been redlined already.
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman and generates Odysseus who rushes a Factory in Dongola.
Vickers kills 2 Ottoman Riflemen
Vickers kills redlined Sipahi

Battle of Falun:
Harley Scout reveals 3 Ottoman Riflemen and a Heavy Artillery who dies pretty easily. We lose 1 Vickers fighting the Riflemen

Cleaning up the neighborhood
AT Gun kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Artillery kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Artillery kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
elite AT Gun dies
elite AT Gun kills Ottoman Line Infantry
elite AT Gun kills Ottoman Line Infantry and retreats from a second one.
Horse Artillery kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Horse Artillery kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Artillery kills Grenadier
Artillery kills Grenadier
Greek Infantry kills Grenadier
Greek Infantry kills Grenadier

Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry and Grenadier
Early Armored Car kills Grenadier
Harley Scout kills Heavy Artillery
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills 2 Ottoman Musket Infantry and Ottoman Rifleman

Scouting Konya...
Harley Scout reveals 2 Rifleman, 2 Line Infantry, an Islamic Pikeman (taken out as a target of opportunity), and an Eastern Archer.
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Enslaver captures Eastern Archer

Lawyer kills Islamic Pikeman
Lawyer kills Eastern Spearman
Greek Infantry kills Eastern Spearman
Enslaver kills Eastern Archer
Enslaver kills Eastern Archer
Missionary converts Eastern Archer

Oh, one last thing before hitting End Turn:

China and Arabia sign MPP
Arabs want to swap maps. Sure, for 11 gold, why not?

Russians also want to talk! They'll give us a whole 29 gold for our WM!

Arabia declares war on Korea!

Seville riots as a resister goes back to work.

 

[Elephantium]

1888 AD:

We get our first SuperDreadnought in Phnom Penh!

Battle of Edrine:
Vickers retreats
Harley Scout reveals 3 Ottoman Riflemen and kills one
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman

Battle of Iznik:
Harley Scout reveals two Rifles, a Line Infantry, and a Sipahi who put up a pretty good fight before he died.
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Rifleman, giving rise to Nestor, who rushes the University of Napata
Vickers kills Rifleman
Early Armored Car dies to Ottoman Line Infantry
But a second one finishes the job, generating Menelaus! He rushes a University in Meroe

(missed getting a screenshot here -- oops!)

Battle of Antalya:
Harley Scout reveals Ottoman Rifleman, two Line infantry, and a Sipahi, who he kills.
Vickers dies
Vickers kills Line Infantry
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Line Infantry
Dragoon kills Rifleman

Battle of Sinop:
Harley Scout reveals only two units - a Rifleman and a Line Infantry. He kills the Line Infantry and a Vickers handles the Rifleman!

Battle of Mugla:
Harley Scout kills Islamic Pikeman
Vickers kills Line Infantry

Opening the road to Kafa, Enslaver kills enemy Worker.

Battle of Kafa:
Harley Scout kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Vickers kills Ottoman Rifleman

Battle of Uskudar:
Early Armored Car kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers dies
Vickers retreats
Vickers kills Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers dies
Vickers dies
Vickers kills Rifleman

Cleaning up some stray units...
Artillery kills Ottoman Rifleman
Artillery kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Artillery kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Artillery kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
AT Gun kills Ottoman Musket Infantry
Early Armored Car retreats
Early Armored Car retreats
AT Gun kills Janissary Musketeer
Horse Artillery kills wounded Ottoman Line Infantry
Vickers kills Janissary
Vickers kills wounded Ottoman Line Infantry

 

[Elephantium]

Handoff notes and the save:

Turkey is on the run, but they have two cities that will be awkward to get to -- one is south of the big desert, far from any roads, and the other is in the far south, on the opposite side of some British holdings.

Spain is still kicking, but I'm hoping we can eliminate them with the Light Cruiser coming down the western coast from Old Israel.

We're desperately short of Infantry. It might be worth another draft round in our biggest cities to help cover some of those bases.

For the air force, once Spain is properly gone, we can upgrade the Zeppelins -- there are multiple Spanish cities with Airports. I've been avoiding rebasing there in case of flips.

We do have trades running for 3 more turns with Brazil and Scandinavia. That's just about the perfect amount of time to finish off Turkey -- and maybe snap up the Maghreb cities in the far NW? Egypt's mainland cities are kind of tempting, too...

I haven't checked for trades otherwise; we're likely going to run into multiple MPPs as soon as we land in Japan.

We have 19 Steamers, most in Da Nang, and 3 more being built each turn. The new city of Pergamon can start building them, too, once it's grown a couple more times. Irtjet can also switch to ships once it finishes that Railyard.

Mandalay should give one of its coastal tiles back to Phnom Penh once we're happy with our Cruiser force. It can build 1-turn Vickers without that tile.

I did struggle a lot with Worker turns. It might be worth peeling off a Steamroller in some of the cities currently building Tanks or Vickers before going back to military.

Last minute edit: I made a list of cities to improve with Leader rushes after spending way too much time scrolling for a city that wasn't halfway through a Railyard or something!

Spoiler :

Fort Elephant - Factory, Uni
Buhen - Uni
Madrid - Factory? Maybe not worth it
Mycenae - Uni
Bangkok - Uni
Bombay - Uni
Fort Wheat - Uni
Mandalay - Uni
Axum - Factory, Uni
Karachi - Factory, Uni
Jerusalem - Uni
Fort Tobacco - Uni
Delhi - Uni
Jaipur - Uni
Phnom Penh - Factory
Provadia - Uni
Fort Green - Uni
Kolhapur - Factory, Uni
Bien Hoa - Uni
Port Oceanus - Factory, Uni
Hebron - Uni
Skordalia - Factory, Uni

The attached photos generally show the state of the collective. First, we have the core and Old Israel:




Here we have Spanish and Incan lands:





And then the front with Türkiye plus the coast near Da Nang:

 

[Civinator]

An Early HeavyTank autoproduces. At 12.5.2, it's strictly worse than our Vickers Mark E tanks at 12.5.3

No, in combat against a light Vickers Mark E tank the Early Heavy Tank is stronger, as it has an additional hitpoint (all heavy tanks in CCM have an additional hitpoint compared to normal tanks of their time).

There is a lot of action Greece did with their in reality 4 Vickers Mark E tanks in this game.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Wow, You kicked some butt. Compared to the end of my turn, you almost doubled the our population 11% to 21% and land area went up by 70 percent 13% to 22%.

Also, it looks like Maghreb has not yet learned to guard its secrets.

Glad to see you did not convert the Enslavers into Partisans. I think the Enslavers are more valuable than Partisans. Enslavers can capture workers/Steamrollers (or attempt to) and not "waste" a real fighting unit.

Mandalay should give one of its coastal tiles back to Phnom Penh once we're happy with our Cruiser force. It can build 1-turn Vickers without that tile.

I did struggle a lot with Worker turns. It might be worth peeling off a Steamroller in some of the cities currently building Tanks or Vickers before going back to military.

If Mandalay gives a coastal tile to Phnom Penh, it should take back its Mountain from Hanoi and build 1-trun Tanks not Vickers. also it should take back its grassloand so it doesn't starve.

I would not stop Tank production (besides the cities producing Tanks/Vickers do not have population to waste) I would switch cities like Sparta, Hanoi, Saigon and Angkpr to build Steamrollers.
Some of the cities that are producing 50+ shields should build Adventurers to man our undefended cities.

How long till victory? 50 turns?
We should stop trading with everybody so we are free to attack anyone.
Maybe we should give up on the idea of trying to self research and concentrate on raising cash. We should be building Markets, Banks and Stock Echanges plus buildings that reduce corruption.

 

[Jersey Joe]

No, in combat against a light Vickers Mark E tank the Early Heavy Tank is stronger, as it has an additional hitpoint (all heavy tanks in CCM have an additional hitpoint compared to normal tanks of their time).

I agree with Elephantium. The extra movement point combined with the ability to blitz is worth more than 1 extra hit point.
Also, I think that the AT Gun "upgrade" for Horse Artillery is not as effective as Horse Artillery, owing to not having all of the abilities Horse Artillery does.

 

[Elephantium]

Ah! That's a good point about the extra hit point @Civinator -- I was too focused on the movement point difference (but still, the extra movement point is more valuable in our games)

As for population to spare @Jersey Joe --
Pharsalos and Delphi are size 23. Rangoon and Byzantium are size 22. They could handle it. Personally, I'd rather miss a turn of Vickers production than Infantry production, based on just how thinly stretched our lines were!

But, building Adventurers to help guard cities is interesting, except that most of those cities are currently building Infantry or Steamers (Vientiane, Mycenae, Hanoi, Da Nang, Sparta, Saigon, Phnom Penh, Delhi).

Maybe set up some 2-turn Adventurer camps in cities like Fort Gator, Ephesus, Provadia, Wawat, Salamanca, Zatju, and Huamanga?

Either way, it's a moving target. A lot of these cities grew drastically during my turnset. It's hard to balance between Vickers (and Greebley gets to play with the new Tanks!), Infantry, Steamrollers, and infra buildings.

I do strongly agree about stopping any further trades -- or if we do make some trades, prioritize trading partners that are north of Arabia. I'm kind of assuming that we'll start by go after Japan, then Aztecs, then Britain when we attack the other continent.

Edit: Agreed on the AT gun not seeming "good enough" after Horse Artillery. I absolutely adore the standard Artillery unit, though!

 

[Elephantium]

Oh, one other thing I want to comment about. The Vickers initially made the Early Armored Car seem pointless because of the 3-move and blitz attack -- it brought some cities into reach that would otherwise have been 2-turn campaigns (or requiring two combat settlers).

OTOH, I could usually get the Armored Cars in range of enemy cities, and for those, a combined arms approach was really nice. I loved getting the "scouting reports" from an initial attack with the Armored Car (later Harley Scout) before moving in to pound the defenses with my Vickers divisions.

Sidenote, what do you all think is the right organization unit for Civ units? Maybe Corps instead?

 

[LKendter]

That was an insane conquest turn. I understand why it took so long.

ROSTER:
LKendter (on deck)
Jersey Joe
Elephantium
Greebley (up)

 

[Jersey Joe]

Pharsalos and Delphi are size 23. Rangoon and Byzantium are size 22. They could handle it. Personally, I'd rather miss a turn of Vickers production than Infantry production, based on just how thinly stretched our lines were

The 2 major concerns I have with using our "tank" factories to build Steamrollers are :

1. We do not have many tanks. If we ship 5 steamers full of Tanks to Japan that will be most of our tanks leaving a few left to defend our country.
2. The "tank" factories are at max population and will take many turns to regrow that 1 population point. Most of the cities I mentioned are at 20+ population and still growing.
3. Minor point. Except for Byzantium, it is 2 turns of production skipped (unless we are rushing Steamrollers).

I'm kind of assuming that we'll start by go after Japan, then Aztecs, then Britain when we attack the other continent.

They are who I assumed would be next too. In addition, isn't Japan right next to Maghreb? I think we could get to Russian without attacking Britain.

Sidenote, what do you all think is the right organization unit for Civ units? Maybe Corps instead?

How many troops do you think are represented by a single Infantry icon or a tank icon?
I always thought of a single Infantry Icon as being no smaller than a Battalion (1000 troops). As we get into the 20th century it might be better to think of a WWI Infantry or later as representing a small Brigade (2-5 battalions)
Given that battalions are most likely to only be at full strength during peace time and how the size of armies has grown triughout history, a single unit representing a Brigade in the late 1800's onwards seems about the right size.
The above is based on the orginization of the US Army from the U.S. Dept of Defense web site.
For larger groups: a Division = 2-4 Brigades; a Corps = 2-5 Divisions; a Field Army = 4+ Divisions also these larger groups usually contain a mix or infantry, tanks and artillery

 

[Greebley]

ok I got it

 

[Elephantium]

The 2 major concerns I have with using our "tank" factories to build Steamrollers are :

1. We do not have many tanks. If we ship 5 steamers full of Tanks to Japan that will be most of our tanks leaving a few left to defend our country.
2. The "tank" factories are at max population and will take many turns to regrow that 1 population point. Most of the cities I mentioned are at 20+ population and still growing.
3. Minor point. Except for Byzantium, it is 2 turns of production skipped (unless we are rushing Steamrollers).

Yeah, fair points. Based on my turnset, I was feeling the squeeze for Infantry more than for Vickers. I'm willing to strip internal cities of their garrisons in order to cover combat rails, but I don't like it. I don't think we'll need a large stack of Vickers for defense when the expeditionary force lands, though -- Egypt is no threat, and while the British, Maghreb, Australians, and Italians each have a city or three, I think we can contain them with what we can build even if we embarked every attack unit we have immediately.

Another 20 turns of development will make a big difference in terms of Infantry (and Tank) production, but I'd rather push on with what we have than pause to let city development catch up.

They are who I assumed would be next too. In addition, isn't Japan right next to Maghreb? I think we could get to Russian without attacking Britain.

Hmm, I think you're right about Russia. Japan is next to Aztecs and Britain, Russia is N of Britain and E of Aztecs. Maghreb are E of Russia, and Lowlands are north/NE of Russia.

How many troops do you think are represented by a single Infantry icon or a tank icon?
I always thought of a single Infantry Icon as being no smaller than a Battalion (1000 troops). As we get into the 20th century it might be better to think of a WWI Infantry or later as representing a small Brigade (2-5 battalions)
Given that battalions are most likely to only be at full strength during peace time and how the size of armies has grown triughout history, a single unit representing a Brigade in the late 1800's onwards seems about the right size.
The above is based on the orginization of the US Army from the U.S. Dept of Defense web site.
For larger groups: a Division = 2-4 Brigades; a Corps = 2-5 Divisions; a Field Army = 4+ Divisions also these larger groups usually contain a mix or infantry, tanks and artillery

Based on the Army unit being in Civ...one of those might be a Field Army, so built units might be Divisions in the mid or late game. OTOH, Civ units don't represent combined arms, so one unit could arguably go down as far as the Company level.

 

[Greebley]

Stealing tech is reaching an end. I failed twice and then got a "They have nothing to steal" message from Britain (so 20k gone with no result). We lost our Magreb spy and won't be able to get it back for a while, so I am planning on seeing if researching ourselves makes sense.

 

[Elephantium]

I'm not sure how, but CivAssist could tell when the Maghreb had new tech to steal during my set.

I'd expect self-research to be in the 15 turn range, give or take.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Stealing tech is reaching an end. I failed twice and then got a "They have nothing to steal" message from Britain (so 20k gone with no result). We lost our Magreb spy and won't be able to get it back for a while, so I am planning on seeing if researching ourselves makes sense.

Losing the Maghreb spy was bound to happen.
Based on CivAssit, as of 1888ad Britian was probably studying Great War Experience, Mayghreb was the leader in tech research with the Poles close behind. It was taking 5 turns for the Maghreb to learn a tech. The Poles would learn the new tech 1 or 2 turns after the Maghreb. Completeing the top 4 AI tech leaders are the Lowlands and the Arabs both of whom are probably studying Totalitarianism.

 

[Greebley]

Its going slowly so not yet finished Will try to finish before next weekend.

I do have a teaser. Also will be going for Scandinavia next.