LK173, Civ=Scandinavia, CCM3, Island Hopping

[Civinator]

Hard to say. That photo is to small to count the shields and food that city will get

In the third screenshot of this post you can clearly see, that a city at that location has 6 luxury resources of spice (one additional food, 4 of them in forest tiles), a camel resource, two tiles with flood plains and the option to construct an harbor in its city radius. The forest tile near that location would hold nearly the same cornucopia, but I wanted to have the city directly next to the camel for the desert fortress and the other location has one flood plain tile less.

About the leader:

According to the post in the following link, armies consisting only of amphibious units should have the amphibious ability, so the army unit itself is not amphibious: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/weird-armies.278449/page-2#post-6934253

 

[LKendter]

With getting the above info, I am willing to do spice city next. All the extra food from spice will help it get growing.

 

[Elephantium]

Here we go (edit: LOL crosspost!). I count 30 fairly easy food (irrigate fp, plains, 1 desert, build ports)
At size 15, we get 13 base shields
21 with mines just about everywhere
+15 gold from river, camel, and spice tiles

To compare,
Stockholm is 8/8
Goteborg is 8/12
Linkoping is 9/15
Norrkoping is 11/22 natively, 28 w/the Dockyard effect.

 

[Dwarven Zerker]

The yellow dot from you old post:

would 1 tile NW of yellow dot be a bit better? It grabs a bonus grassland shield plus fewer sea tiles (iirc is less benefit than coast or grassland) while maintaining the same number of productive hills and ocean access.

 

[Elephantium]

The yellow dot gets 43 food (counting Ports and rails+irrigation) and 36 base shields (10 from Dockyards, 24 from hills, 2 from the forest)
1NE gets 46 food (3 water tiles turn into grasslands) and 34 base shields (7 from Dockyards and only 1 from the BG)

It's pretty close, but I'd still keep the original spot. Early on, we could get a bit more growth with 1NE while waiting for the Port to build. Late-game, though, we'll appreciate the extra shields.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Mid turn set teasers:

With some trading we became the tech leader and have some gold to use rushing buildings. Here are the latest technologies we know as of 1440 AD:

 

[LKendter]

I was wondering how we traded so much from previous teaser. Philosopher's stone gives that answer.
I see we know gunpowder. Do we have a source of saltpeter, or does our resource rut continue?

 

[Civinator]

I was wondering how we traded so much from previous teaser. Philosopher's stone gives that answer.
I see we know gunpowder. Do we have a source of saltpeter, or does our resource rut continue?

Of course the resource rut continues.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Continuing 1370 AD:
Trade Gold ore, 414 gold and 52 gpt to the Maghreb for Alchemy.
Trade Alchemy to Persia for Theology and 111 gold.
Trade Alchemy to India for Bodkin Arrows, Medieval Combat, and 9 gold.
Trade Bodkin Arrows to the Lowlands for 100 Gold and 28 gpt.
Trade Medieval Combat to the Lowlands for 5 Gold and 17 gpt.

Norrkoping swaps to building the Philosophers Stone. Do some MM.

1380 AD:
Annexing Bagdad: Chariot kills Zulu Mercenary 1, 0) and we get a Great Leader. Axemen kill 2 Mercenaries (3, 0); Chariot kills Impi (4, 0). The city is captured.

IBT: Spearman killed by Enslaver (4, 1).

1390 AD:
Longship sinks Zulu Catapult Ship (5, 1).

1400 AD:
Sell a 20 year supply of Tobacco to Japan for 208 gold.
Trade Chivalry to the Lowlands for 12 gold and 25 gpt.

Longship sinks Zulu Catapult Ship (6, 1).

1410 AD:
North of Damaskus, Trebuchet kills Zulu Archer (7, 1).

Catapult Ship sunk by Zulu Ancient Naval Explorer (7, 2); Catapult Ship sinks Ancient Naval Explorer (8, 2).

IBT: Arabs expel us from their territory delaying our annexing to Damaskus.
Our wine deal with Indo-China expires.

1420 AD: Our Medieval Naval Explorer contacts the rich and somewhat advanced Byzantines.
We trade Engineering to the Byzantines for Furs and 2861 gold.
We trade Bodkin Arrows to the Byzantines for 614 gold.
We trade Bodkin Arrows to the Byzantines for 823 gold.
We trade Navigation to the Byzantines for Sacred Art and 1211 gold.
We trade Tobacco to the Byzantines for 242 gold.

IBT: North of Damaskus, Chariot killed by Zulu Impi (8, 3)
Our Coffee deal expires.

1430 AD:
Buy Clockworks from India for 2851 gold.
Trade Chivalry to Egypt for 8 gold and 18 gpt.
Trade Republic to the Huns for Wine, 32 gold and 9 gpt.
Trade Literature to Oceania for Coffee, 40 gold, and 1 gpt.
Trade Alchemy to the Byzantines for 780 gold and 130 gpt.
Trade Alchemy to the Lowlands for 60 gold and 29 gpt.

Longship sinks Zulu Catapult Ship (9, 3).

Enslaver captures Arab Worker.

Annexing Damaskus, Chariots kill 2 Zulu Mercenaries and an Impi (12, 3). The city is annexed and the Zulu nation is welcomed into our benevolent Monarchy.

IBT: We complete the Philosopher’s Stone. We learn about Gunpowder and Naval Guns.

1440 AD:
Trade Gunpowder and our World map to Rome for Printing Press and 240 gold.
Trade Gunpowder and Printing Press to India for Renaissance and their World map.
Trade Gunpowder to Japan for their World map and 2089 gold.
Trade Gunpowder to the Maghreb for their World map and 2315 gold.
Trade our World map to Rome for their World map and 222 gold.
Trade our World map to Japan for 433 gold.
Trade our World map to the Maghreb for 434 gold.

East of Bagdad: Enslaver captures Arabian Warrior (13, 3); Enslaver kills Chariot (14, 3) and captures 2 workers.

IBT: We lose or supply of Silks.

1450 AD:
Trade Dark Ages to Korea for Silks, 17 gold, 7 gpt and their World map.
Trade Theology to Egypt for 64 gold, 21 gpt, and their World map.
Trade Tobacco to Canada for 28 gold and their Territory map.
Trade Tobacco to Oceania for 19 gold and their World map.
Trade Tobacco to China for 7 gold and their World map.
Trade Camel to Greece for 23 gold, 6 gpt and their Territory map.

Enslaver captures 3 Arab Workers.

IBT: Dutch want to swap World maps, instead, I trade them Spices for their World map.
We lose our supply of Gems.

1460 AD:
Trade China Literature for Gems, 4 gold and their World map.

IBT: Nubia wants to cancel our Silver for Tobacco deal.
Renegotiated deal: Trade Naval Warfare to China for Silver, 25 gold and their World Map.

Our Deal for Spices with the Arabs expires.

1470 AD:
We declare war on Arabia.
South of Bagdad, Chariots kill an Arab Bowman and 2 catapults (17, 3); Berserker forces other Catapult to retreat; Enslaver kills Chariot (18, 3).

Annexing Uruk: Enslaver captures Arab Warrior (19, 3); Chariot kills Bowman (20, 3). The town is captured. Trebuchet kills an Enslaver (21, 3).

Screenshots are in my next post (later to night).

Notes and Suggestions:

• I did not check for Trades this turn (1470 AD).
• I did not find any Saltpeter in or close to our borders.
  • As you will see in the small shot below, Saigon is close to source of Saltpeter.
• I moved many of our Workers and Slaves from the Home Island to the newly annexed Island.
• Unfortunately, the Arabs building Uruk, in my path, delayed my getting Beserkers to Damaskus.

 

[Greebley]

Excellent trading!

Saigon definitely seems the best choice for next target. Indochina is a nice backward civ anyway that will make a nice target.

I do agree with the 2 axe army going to 3 when we have a better transport capacity.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Here are some screenshots: First an overview

The lands we just annexed

Indo-China

Home Island with some build sites

 

[Jersey Joe]

I do agree with the 2 axe army going to 3 when we have a better transport capacity.

When we get access to Saltpeter we can upgrade the Longships to a 4 capacity ship.

I messed up the timing on the forming the Army. I should have started moving it toward the Arabia sooner.

Did you know an empty army can only move 2 spaces on a road?

 

[LKendter]

Your conquered cities picture is out of date.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Your conquered cities picture is out of date.

The pictures are for the lurkers so they can follow our reports. I figured that shot would be shortly out of date. I am just surprised I did not see a report from our Military Adviser.

 

[LKendter]

1470 AD (0)
Swedish late pikes don’t require iron. I’ll work on getting our spears upgraded to them.

Our conquered cities in former South Africa really suck. We are separated by sea, so all the luxuries imported to the capital don’t make it to them. I upped the luxury rate to 30% and hired some clowns to make them happy. This also means that the horses by Damaskus won’t make it home.

I trade our WM to everyone to improve our map knowledge. I gained a nice chunk of GPT, and a lot of cash.
I gave Japan naval guns for 8909. I get another 4593 from Carthage.
(IT) I lost 1 spear. I killed 1 bucket. (1-1)
Mongolia completed there UW.
Machu Picchu completed Christianization.


1480 AD (1)
I gave Greece clockworks for $70 and $36/T. I grab a few scraps from our newest WM.
(IT) Jolly Roger is completed.
I lost 1 bucket and 1 enslaver. (1-3)


1490 AD (2)
The assault on Babylon begins.
I kill 4 Enkidu warriors and 1 bowman. I lost 1 Nordic axemen. (8-4)
I pillaged $17. 2 workers were hiding inside. The obsolete Ishtar Gate is ours.

I killed 1 chariot. (9-4)
(IT) Japan declares war on Carthage.
Italy completed Holy City.


1500 AD (3)
The assault on Akkad begins. I killed 2 Enkidu warriors and 1 bowman. (11-4)
I found 5 workers inside.
The fragile Arabs have left the game.

Our exploring ship has spotted unknown borders.

I give the Dutch theology for a marginal $55 and $34/T.

I killed: 1 ship. (12-4)
(IT) Japan establishes and embassy with us.

 

[LKendter]

1510 AD (4)
I contact the pathetically backwards Poland. I get their map and see several more civs to contact on their landmass. That additional map knowledge lets us get a decent block of money from our WM.

I gave Carthage $4846 for university. Research begins on free artistry. With Japan and Carthage at war I feel we have a good shot for at least one of the free artistry wonders.


1520 AD (5)



1530 AD (6)
I contacted Inca. Inca has cash. I sold them gunpowder for $4765. I sold them naval guns for WM, $8038 and $30/T. I sold them clockworks for $244/T. After I get their map, I see they are eating up Germany. I see multiple cities with German names owned by Inca.
I contacted Germany. Germany is backwards and pretty much broke.
I contacted Austria. I found yet another civ still in the last era.
I contacted Turkey. They are in the same era, but still broke.
Thanks to the new map knowledge from the Inca, I picked up another block of cash for WM. I’d much rather we have the cash to keep rushing buildings.


1540 AD (7)

 

[LKendter]

1550 AD (8)
I gave Persia bodkin arrows for $163, and $25/T.
The Inca gives us an insane $42 and $100/T for a new WM.
I grab scraps of cash from the other civs. Universities are absurdly expensive to rush.


1560 AD (9)
I gave Persia medieval combat for $129 and $38/T.
I gave the Dutch clockworks for $127 and $141/T.
I gave Greece printing press for $72 and $87/T.
I gave Oceania dark ages for $12 and $53/T.


1570 AD (10)
I give Persia clockworks for $97 and $91/T.
I give Oceania world religions for $68 and $67/T.
I give Turkey renaissance for Saltpeter and $2.
I upgraded a chunk of our pikes at home to muskets. Sadly, we can’t do that in our conquered land mass due to needing sea routes.
I grab a bit of cash again for our maps. We are making out like bandits in the map trading business.

 

[LKendter]

The ship stack is heading home. I want to upgrade them to better ships. I want the 4th unit of transport capacity. In addition, they can move through ocean tiles once upgraded.

Most of our offensive troops are by Damascus. I’ve been swapping out pikes for axemen guarding cities. Our big military weakness is still defensive units. Some are still needed for the recent conquests. In addition, the offensive troop stack has NO defensive units.
This was 10 rounds of accelerated building with all the cash I got. Keep rushing buildings every other turn. Once that is done, we can shift to military from cities with castles / barracks.
Please shift the units at home around to finish the upgrades to muskets.
I see at least another 10 to 20 turns of peace while we take a break to get the buildings completed. That makes it the perfect time to send the ships home for upgrades.
The more cash you can grab from the civs, the faster we go back into conquest mode. I’ve drained most of the other civs cash except for the leaders of Japan and Carthage. Despite rushing like a madman, we still have $11,062 to rush and upgrade with.

I agree 100% that Indochina is the next target. However, those resources won’t make it home until after mercantilism is researched. That is another reason I feel this is the perfect time to push buildings hard.

The workers north of Visby are getting ready for the arrival of the next clan. That spot still needs defensive pikes once the clan arrives.

The 3 workers that just landed near Cape Town are to build roads on the tile and connect it to the road network. That spot is the perfect spot for a one-turn shuffle from our home island.
After that there is plenty of work to do in the area. Zimbabwe needs all the plains tiles irrigated to get decent growth.

 

[LKendter]

I’m hoping that Norrkoping can build at least once of the wonders from free artistry.

With Japan and Carthage at war they may ignore those wonders. My preference is the one giving free theaters. Free artistry is 11 turns away. That number will drop next turn with a lot of rushed universities this turn.

 

[LKendter]

LKendter
Elephantium (up)
Greebley (on deck)
Jersey Joe