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(LOCKED) Going for Gold: Wonders

Discussion in 'General Balance' started by Stalker0, May 23, 2018.

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Is this item in a reasonable state of balance?

Poll closed Jun 6, 2018.
  1. Yes

    93.3%
  2. No

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  1. Minh Le

    Minh Le Chieftain

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    Hagia is such a good wonder I almost never be able to get it :hammer2:
     
  2. pineappledan

    pineappledan Warlord

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    You can blame me for part of it.

    I made a post complaining about how Borobudur got a free monastery, HSophia got a free temple, etc. And how none of these made sense in light of us having Stupas and churches as actual buildings. I also pointed out that Angkor Wat was a bit low on power and also happens to be a very large mandir.

    From there, I think G just tried to fit all the religious buildings somewhere. He’s a completionist, but still never managed to find a good spot for a synagogue. :p

    Churches were way worse back then too
     
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  3. CrazyG

    CrazyG Warlord

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    How do people feel about Temple of Artemis?

    The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this wonder is just bad. On just about any start, I would rather have Petra than two copies of Artemis.
     
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  4. tu_79

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    The wonder or the current status of food?
     
  5. Bhawb

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    I'll try to build Artemis with 4UC India because it helps me work specialists a bit earlier without stunting early growth, and the ranged unit production applies to both UU lines which helps a bit with defending. And since I'm usually rushing for Hanging Gardens I'll rarely have science to spare to pick up Currency.

    If I played other Tall civs much I'd probably do similar. The food is essentially a free monopoly and the ranged production is pretty nice. A free Herbalist doesn't hurt either. It isn't amazing by any means, definitely the worst Ancient wonder, but occasionally its fine.
     
  6. Rekk

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    My opinion of it dropped after I realized that only the city that builds it gets the production bonus.
     
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  7. Stalker0

    Stalker0 Baller Magnus

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    ToA has its uses, but its definitely niche.
     
  8. Bromar1

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    Yeah it's okay if you are playing tradition with an early ranged UU. But most of the time the bonus amounts to a few dozen to maybe a hundred or so hammers in the capital over the whole game
     
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  9. phantomaxl1207

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    I use to value it highly, back when Happiness was less of an issue. Now, not so much.

    Might be good if you had a good Ranged UU, say Longbows in 4UC's. At least that bonus can always be relevant, even if only 1 City.
     
  10. tothePAIN

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    It's fine. It's one of the few ancient wonders that scales for wide and is actually relevant in the late game.
     
  11. Rosaria's Sandwiches

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    Does the production bonus apply to every single ranged unit (including ships and aircrafts)?
     
  12. Rekk

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    Aircraft is not considered a ranged unit.
     
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  13. Bhawb

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    Ranged, mounted ranged, naval ranged, and siege are what it applies to IIRC.
     
  14. HungryForFood

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    The production bonus applies to the Archery unit combat class, which only includes ranged and mounted ranged.
     
  15. tu_79

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    This.

    And I thought the +10% to food was in every city... it says Cities: +10%:c5food:
     
  16. Rekk

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    None of us have said otherwise.
     
  17. CrazyG

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    I have to say I don't value 10% food in cities other than my capital very highly. The ranged unit production is alright, but I don't think its worth a wonder.

    The idea that its the only wonder that scales into the late game is flawed. Petra or Mausoleum scale excellently. I think they are also stronger in the early game, and in the mid game, and the late game..........really at any point they are just better. Artemis is a herbalist with +1 culture and an engineer point. Its decent but I really don't think its worth risking those early game hammers. I've built it on my way to hanging gardens, but it only takes one time to miss the gardens by a turn to realize that its a high risk, low reward play.
     
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  18. tu_79

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    You did!
    Oops! You meant production versus ranged units.
     
  19. phantomaxl1207

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    Can we make the Ranged Unit Production bonus Global and drop the Free Herbalist?
     
  20. Enginseer

    Enginseer Salientia of the Community Patch Supporter

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    The Free Herbalist is a general mechanic that every Wonder supposedly creates a free building of something.
     
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