Lonely Hearts Club, BTS Edition, Chapter IV: Charles De Gaulle

Welcome to the Fourth edition of the Lonely Hearts Club for BTS. In the Lonely Hearts Club we explore strategies to cope with one of the most dreaded situations in Civ IV ( possibly the main reason for reloads after the military collapse one ): starting in isolation....

For the Fourth game in BTS the choosed leader was De Gaulle of the French :

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I confess that I never faced this leader ( playing it or against), so I'll try to guess his strenghts by his traits.... Industrious is a no Brainer: wonders, wonders and some more wonders ( oh, and a discount on the forges ), that might help some wonder grabbing strategies.... and Charismatic...well most of the people think that Char is a war-only trait, but if you look closely char can help you a lot even if you aren't going to a war fest: +1 and one more with Monuments and Broadcast Towers ( making Henge and Eiffel very attractive options )

His UU.

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Musketeers basically are muskets that can keep pace with knights... Not sure how they can be useful in isolation... Maybe if you find a convenient backward civ or need a rapid extra garrison in a city....
His UB.

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Another building made for the culture lovers ( which I am not ). A Observatory that gives a free artist specialist.. May be useful if someone tries a cultural win
So, here is the settings( from noble save ):

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And the start:

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Not the worst that I've seen, but not a big deal also. I think that it requires further intel to decide if settling in place is apropriate ( read: move the warrior 1W, to the hill )

About saves: As usual, pick the level you prefer in the end of the post. Deity save is in the next post.

Again a small request ( not mandatory ) :

We ask the participants to do, if possible, a write-up with the victory save and a description of your game ( strategies, techs researched, wars,...). All the info should be in spoiler tags ( to not disturb other people's games ). If you want ( we would like to ) post reports at this moments of the game:

Checkpoint 1 - when we have explored the island and are aware of what resources it has. Its not so important when this is, but this is a time to discuss city sites etc. Don't look into a checkpoint 1 spoiler until you have reached this point yourself.

Checkpoint 2 - first contact - when we have met all the other AIs. At this point we can discuss our strategy to get to this point and our plans for dealing with them.

Checkpoint 3 - when we are committed to a victory condition (or at least think we are).

Checkpoint 4 - Victory (or defeat).

The last words are to wish good luck to all . And let the games begin!

P.S We don't have any kind of problem with defeats and reruns. Just play and enjoy

Another P.S. : 3.13 patch is arriving ( hopefully soon ). I don't think that it may influence this ( alexman wrote that 3.0X saves would load in 3.13, but not the opposite ), but if a problem arrives PM me and I'll try to work it out.

 

No, this time I'll not about the stupid 5 max attachements rule.....

 

he said they'll work if the save doesn't have locked modified assets. which i'm guessing these don't since you had to WB the scenario to get the various levels anyway. but you know my posting style, i always type too much and quite often add in free useless info *giggle*

ps how can we be on chapter IV? i'm still playing chapter III, i'm a slowpoke

 

No KMad, the saves don't have locked assets ( like you said I had to go to the WB: to check isolation and to make the levels ( I think that you don't need to go WB to change the levels...must check that ) ), so I think that this will run alright...

And I warned you about finishing the chapter III yesterday in another ( and completely unrelated) thread

 

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Like De Gaulle is Industrious, I choosed a strategy that I've seen in the Many Leaders Game: wonder whoring ( especially Henge + Oracle, to get a GP to bulb Theo ) + AP to a diplo win. First of all I moved the warrior, like I advised people to do:

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Stone Just what the doctor prescribed...
A little work and:

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The GW and the Oracle quickly followed it....

I took a while to explore the landscape because I noticed soon ( thanks to map from a hut) that there was land to the west, and I didn't prioritized the sea ( not much of seafood in the main island ). In 520 AD I completed this map:

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By that time I already had founded Confu and Cristianity, and the AP became Confu....
Now I had the option of having a colony or to colonize that western landmass by myself... In spite of colonies vote for us, I really don't trust AI about maximizing things ( in this case maximizing the population), so I took the risk of having a serious maintenance problem if that bringed me a swifter win.
By the 1400 I started to find the AI: JC and Alex first, João and Peter following shortly... Wash and Asoka were harder to find. Had some problems in finding asoka's land, that caused me to delay by atleast 20 turns the AP victory 1st vote. By that time JC had astro ( a thing that made byte some nails ) and Wash got Lib, Natio and Taj in a row and I was sinking techwise. Alex vs Peter and Wash war had started shortly before the 1st vote:

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And:

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In this game I took a serious risk of not letting the western cities to be free....If I had not win the vote, I would probably sink techwise because of the increased maintenance costs. But I kind of liked this victory: no pain, no gain.... and it is always good to see a plan working

 

A isolated game with a Ind leader screams for AP diplo win.... And, since I saw the player that used De Gaulle in the many Leaders Game 2 making a similar play, I wanted to try the viabily of that strat... ( To add, I still think that AP victories, as they are ATM, are way too much cheesy ... )

And you aren't going as bad... Nice hut luck ( you should buy the lotto ASAP ) BTW

 

Very nice win Rolo, I'll be playing this one soon once I have time, Im looking forward to playhing a LH with an industrious leader, I've never played De Gualle before.

 

Looks a fairly good start to me - production and food - industrious needs both. I'll be a week before I can play though - I'm on a business trip and won't be doing any gaming for a while. Good luck to all participating.

 

You have already won it r_rolo ?

I'll definitely give this one a try - I'd love to test this one before RB upcoming event. Going for Prince, start later today.

 

@ pawelo : I had a very rainy weekend ( now, in the working week, the sun is shining ), so I had plenty of time of playing my SGs , playing this ( that was fast.... 2/3 hours ) and play your open game until 1300.... I would had prefered a nice walk on the beach followed by a in a beach bar

@InvisibleStalke

No problem with starting late... I'll only launch the Chapter V in 13/10 ( or 10/13, if you prefer american type ...), so you'll have plenty of time to play it.

@all

As usual, suggestions about next leader are welcomed. I'm playing the pawelo's open game and I'm liking using Sitting duc... errr, Sitting Bull . So, maybe I'll would put him in next chapter ( LHC games never had a Pro leader... ). But feel free to throw a name or two

 

Never been loney in Civ IV....must try this... *bags Noble version*

(no, really. The closet I've been is as the Dutch, and Monty was on my island/continent...)

 

What a nice game you have made available r_rolo. It's so pleasant after being literally eaten in my lamb OCG

Anyway, not to spoil anything, I have played until 1400AD yesterday and here is a small sum-up:

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At first, an overview of the most advanced empire in 1400AD ( though I still haven't met anyone ):



And my buddy Napoleon, who took over my foreign territories a century ago:



Isolated meant basically that you had to learn fast to catch up AIs who WILL trade between each other.

Therefore, several wonders where just mandatory:
Great Wall - to limit unit supply cost and manage barbs
Oracle - free tech, no need to explain
Colossus - island = water, +1 commerce is just a must
Great Lighthouse - +1 trade route in coastal, I missed this one by a turn or so...
Pyramids - representation happy means bigger cities means more commerce
Great Library - 2 free scientists is a nice research boost

Also, religions were very important, because we needed any extra happy person to work out every beaker necessary.

Stone at Paris helped a lot, I must admit. Here is the city in 1400AD:



Just a bunch of wonders in fact

I founded Taoism in Rheims and Christianity in Tours. Tao is my state religion, and I'm cranking extra research from University of Sankoré and tao temples everywhere around. I have also landed Apostolic Palace.

My Apostolic city of Orleans ( with some more wonders ):



Basically what I would like to do is slingshot to Astronomy through Liberalism ( due in 7 ), get Tao Missionaries on Galleons, get Open Borders with everyone, implant each civ with a Tao Missionary and claim Apostolic win.

I'm pretty sure the Space is also an option, given the powerhouse the French island has become.

What will it become, we'll see pretty soon (as soon as I have more time to play anyway ).

Don't hesitate to play it. Fast, challenging if you have never done isolated maps, and great fun anyway!

 

@ pawelo

The fun is about to begin, when the AI caravels and carracks start to appear

 

Loving this. Monarch difficulty, checkpoint 2-3, 1100AD. Only a brief report for now, will type up a full one when I sort out how to post screenshots reliably

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Research order to begin with was AH, Mining, BW. Got some good luck by popping Pottery from a hut (this was pretty big).

Early strategy involved wonders, and lots of them, perhaps unsurprisingly. Grabbed Stonehenge in 2060BC, followed by Oracle in 1300 (took Metal Casting for cheap forges and the Colossus), Great Wall in 1220. One thing I did do to cope with my good production and ailing economy was use 'Build Research' - with the new 1:1 hammer/beaker ratio in BTS it really makes a big difference. I was able to add well over 50% to my beaker output just by having my leading 2 cities build research.

Wasn't sure about the Pyramids, but eventually succumbed to temptation, and had them completed by 400BC. Switched to Representation, and ran a couple of cities with a couple of +6 scientists for a while. I've been a horrendous wonder whore, grabbing, amongst others, the Great Library, Hanging Gardens, Angkor Wat, Sistine Chapel, etc.

First Great Person was a Great Spy but then popped a Prophet with which I bulbed Theology for Christianity in 100BC. Was amazed to get Confucianism in 200AD, then went for Philosophy and Taoism in 800AD. Very late dates; I'd only planned around getting Christianity really. After that I went down the Optics path, and then towards Liberalism.

Anyway, with 3 religions, and 9 cities, I plan on a cultural win for obvious reasons - just built the Sistine Chapel in 1050ish, and am 3 turns away from Education, and hence about 11 away from Liberalism at 1100AD. Plan is to take Astronomy from that, make as much money from the Christian shrine as possible, and make as much money from trading as possible. Defence shouldn't be a huge problem with the tech lead I have (I've just met Joao and Caesar - they're both significantly behind in pretty much all areas). I've never done a Monarch cultural win before, so it'll be fun to try at least.

 

I'm at checkpoint 2 right now.

I've expored the map, and can actually see where the Romans are since a hut gave me a map, but I haven't made any contact yet.

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I have a settler and a few workers on the way to esablish my presence on the neighbouring continent before it gets nabbed from the AI.

I have decided to just play Emperor for this one (Deity has been stressing me out too much lately). However to add a twist, my victory condition is going to be Conquest. I've won so many space-race games, a few domination/culture/diplo, but I haven't one real conquest victory under my belt yet, so I'd figure I'd tone down the difficulty I'm used to see if I can do it here.

Here's a look at my capital 1210AD.

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You can see I really went to town on the wonder spamming since were finally playing with my favourite trait
I also have national epic built there, plan on oxford. I built the Parthenon in another city to avoid GA pollution, and collossus somewhere else cause I had too much on the go in Paris.
I have 8 Great people settled there already + academy. (insteresting combo I got, 2 of each type settled cept artists).
That +14, +23, +57, +2 and +50% is really kicking ass right now.

I really dont get at all why people waste GP on lightbulbing, unless you know 100% it'll make or break the race to liberalism (but I don't even need to do this on deity to win liberalism), I can't fathom how lightbulbing > settling
(ok except rare conditions like to get a tech and then trade it to each AI, hence getting 5+ techs).
Also, I find shrines rather useless untill you have at least 13 cities with that religion, otherwise its a waste imo.

 

I gave this a go. I was going to post checkpoints, but, well, I got OMT syndrome and before I knew it the game was over.... I picked the Prince save because I normally play on Noble or Prince. I think I should have taken a higher level in this setup.

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AP diplomatic victory in 1635! Several firsts for me in this game - first time I played an entire game in one sitting. First time I got AP win. First time I went really wonder crazy on Prince level on normal size map. I guess the map was designed to help but still I'll take it

I settled most great people in Paris, used two great merchants for trade missions, and used 3 for two golden ages. I got the Taj for a third golden age.

It was also the first time I had such a commanding tech lead that I could afford to delay Liberalism! However when I did get it, the best option I had to choose as my free tech was Corporation (?) - it was kind of wasted I guess. I never even got to build Oxford University because the game ended. It was going in Paris and boy that would have really skyrocketed my research.

No wars or even the threat of one - signed open borders with everyone and made friends. I only settled 8 cities even though I had plenty of land for more and maintenance was not a problem. My trade routes really shot up in the last 40 or 50 turns. Happiness was never a problem and health only midly so. All the extra ivory was great for trading.

I ran a hybrid economy with just 1-2 scientists under representation in most cities and some very developed cottages in Paris and a few other spots. I never hired any other type of specialist (maybe an engineer if the game assigned one without my knowing it, as it tends to do).

I did not have a chance to switch into some better civics because on my 2nd attempt at the AP vote, I won easily. I switched into Empancipation not that long before the end.

I think this was also my highest score ever in a game, or maybe my second highest. Sad considering some of the scores I see around here but anyway a really fun game.

 

Monarch checkpoint 4

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Diplomatic victory in 1965, 1 turn away from domination.

Early strategy involved spamming cities while making sure I'd get the Great Lighthouse and the Colossus. In total I founded 12 cities on the initial continent, basically anything that could work 2 cottages and some sea tiles got founded. I also choose to make a colony on the nearby landmass as fast as possible, for the trade routes and some tech trading. Got Darius as a leader for the colony which was nice, he managed to tech quite nicely in the end.

I was able to keep pace with the other AI's techwise and got the circumnavigation bonus, mainly thanks to getting the worldmap almost for free from Darius . Since I had a bunch of cities I went with the Apostolic palace + University of Sankore + Spiral Minaret combo to boost the economy.

Went to war with Alexander with rifles and cannons (mainly to claim his oil...), made a colony of his cites and eventually vassalised him, then continued with Peter. Unfortunately I made some mistakes () so I wasn't able to create a neat colony out of the Russian/Greece lands and ended up keeping almost 2/3 of that continent. Next I went to war with India with tanks/bombers, wiped him out and kept the land. One more war then with America with modern armor and mech infantry.

Won diplomatic victory with 60% population and 59.56% land...