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LotR Series...

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by Arathorn, Oct 24, 2005.

  1. Arathorn

    Arathorn Catan player

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    I don't know what the LotR series will hold for Civ4. In Civ3, this series was one of the more challenging and daring series. For Civ4, well, it depends on how good the host player will be at the game! :lol: I think/hope it will eventually get to the same crazy level of variants as the Civ3 version, but only time will tell.

    All games in the LotR series will be hosted by me, Arathorn. I generally run 0-2 games at a time. Anyone is welcome to sign up. Most games fill first come, first served, but it all depends on the game (the first LotR Civ4 game, for example, will be different in that regard). Please use this thread for sign-ups and/or rules questions before the game(s) begin.

    General rules -- maximal ethics. Do the right thing at the right time. Have fun. Do your best. Be courteous. Etc. etc. etc.

    The first Civ4 game will be something very similar to this....

    LotR16 -- Happy Halloween
    Version: Civ4 out-of-the-box
    Civ: Random
    Difficulty: Noble (or one level above)
    Win condition: Anything goes
    Variant(s): NONE
    Participants: For the first LotR Civ4 game, priority seating will be given based on the number of previous LotR games played in. Sign-up time will break ties. YOU MUST HAVE THE GAME IN HAND BEFORE SIGNING UP!!! Also, no beta-testers allowed. This rule is on the honor system, but all of us in LotR16 should be playing the game with very few preconceptions (just what we've gained from games on our own)
    Start Date: October 31
    Sign ups so far: None

    Hope to see everybody around!
    Arathorn
     
  2. Arathorn

    Arathorn Catan player

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    For those who are interested, here is the history of the LotR series.

    LotR1 – Daring Deity
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=17438
    Version: Vanilla 1.17
    Civ: Egypt
    Difficulty: Deity
    Variant: None
    Roster: Arathorn, Sirian, Toecheese3, Jaffa Tamarin, Charis
    Dates: February 28, 2002 - March 20, 2002
    Result: Diplomatic win in 1070 AD
    Score: 7189
    Reasons to read: First deity SG at CFC, see weed by some later greater players, highest scoring LotR game to date, back in the screaming fast tech days

    LotR2 – Zealous Zulus
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=19001
    Version: Vanilla 1.17 - 1.21
    Civ: Zulu
    Difficulty: Monarch
    Variant: Always war
    Roster: Arathorn, Jester, Sirian, cpp1, Toecheese3
    Dates: March 25, 2002 – June 11, 2002
    Result: Domination win in 1840 AD
    Score: ???
    Reasons to read: Very first always war game (starting a fun variant), long LONG periods of no front change, almost a 20K culture victory

    LotR3 – Emperor Training
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=21176
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=21474
    Version: Vanilla 1.21 – 1.29
    Civ: Iroquois
    Difficulty: Emperor
    Variant: Training
    Roster: Arathorn, Architect, Brian J, charliehoke, LKendter, D9Phoenix, JMB, JollyRoger
    Dates: April 25, 2002 – July 25, 2002
    Result: Abandoned in 250 AD in a solid position
    Score: N/A
    Reasons to read: Few – some discussions of city specialization, micromanagement, and scouting practices

    LotR4 – 5CC Conquest (5CCC)
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=26358
    Version: Vanilla 1.21 – 1.29
    Civ: Japan
    Difficulty: Monarch
    Variant: 5CCC
    Roster: Arathorn, meldor, Jaffa Tamarin, T-hawk
    Dates: July 2, 2002 – September 19, 2002
    Result: Conquest win in 1645 AD
    Score: 2460
    Reasons to read: An early 5CCC, some fun city names

    LotR5 – Tactless Darius
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=49590
    Version: PTW 1.21
    Civ: Persia
    Difficulty: Deity
    Variant: Tactless – no initiating diplomacy or bargaining
    Roster: Arathorn, Gothmog, Charis, JMB, T-hawk
    Dates: April 3, 2003 – May 22, 2003
    Result: Cultural loss in 1824 AD
    Score: ???
    Reasons to read: Successful early aggression, worker migration, how much no trade hurts, which type of loss will it be, final desperate gasp failing badly

    LotR6 – Progressive Paranoia
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=54625
    Version: PTW 1.21
    Civ: Ottomans
    Difficulty: Deity
    Variant: Worse diplomacy each age, from no limits to AW
    Roster: Arathorn, Gothmog, Skyfish, T-hawk, JMB
    Dates: May 29, 2003 – August 4, 2003
    Result: Conquest victory in 1854 AD
    Score: 5620
    Reasons to read: Early dogpile successfully beaten, dry start, the power of sipahi, craziest beachhead in the LotR series, nukes, race to finish

    LotR7 – Passive Culturalists
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=59054
    Version: PTW 1.21
    Civ: Babylon
    Difficulty: Deity
    Variant: Passive, going for 100K culture victory on deity
    Roster: Arathorn, JMB, Skyfish, Gothmog, Bam-Bam
    Dates: July 18, 2003 – November 4, 2003
    Result: Spaceship loss in 1760 AD
    Score: 2800
    Reasons to read: Limitations of cultural warfare, the power of a runaway AI

    LotR8a – Crazy Celts
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=60779
    Version: PTW 1.21 – 1.27
    Civ: Celts
    Difficulty: Monarch
    Variant: Wild, unpredictable roles for each leader
    Roster: Arathorn, TriviAl, Snaproll, meldor, Karasu
    Dates: August 6, 2003 – November 19, 2003
    Result: Domination win in 1882 AD
    Score: 5362
    Reasons to read: Just for the roles, some good write-ups, a number of hilarious quotes

    LotR8b – Irrational Iroquois
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=60782
    Version: PTW 1.21
    Civ: Iroquois
    Difficulty: Regent
    Variant: Wild, unpredictable roles for each leader (open game)
    Participants: Arathorn, ControlFreak, Sirian, Sullla, Coffee, Puzzlinon, cgannon64, JMB, Northern Pike, Grimjack, JustBen, Shadowfax, T-hawk, LKendter, Skyfish, hotrod0823, Brewster, a space oddity, Dark Savant, Reagan, KELLO, KotatsuNeko, jack merchant, Rik Meleet, ChrTh
    Dates: August 6, 2003 – September 27, 2003
    Result: Domination win in 1768 AD
    Score: 3799
    Reasons to read: For the roles, the “camping out” to grab the game, the number of participants, the extreme builder phase at the end

    LotR9 – Open eXtreme Variants
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66265
    Version: PTW 1.27
    Civ: Persia
    Difficulty: Regent
    Variant: OCC, AW, Infantry, Despotic, Conquest
    Participants: Arathorn, Belisar, T_McC, Deatvert, 6thGenTexan, LKendter, Coffee
    Dates: October 17, 2003 – October 21, 2003
    Result: Conquest win in 110 BC
    Score: 6529
    Reasons to read: Quick and fun, lots of variants, IMMORTALS

    LotR10 – Scouting Sid
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=67720
    Version: C3C 1.00 – 1.12 – 1.13
    Civ: Netherlands
    Difficulty: Sid
    Variant: (see difficulty)
    Participants: Arathorn, Bam-Bam, Skyfish, Speaker, Reagan, Gothmog
    Date: November 5, 2003 – January 13, 2004
    Result: Diplomatic victory in 1585 AD
    Score: 6532
    Reasons to read: First successful Sid game recorded anywhere to my knowledge, complete early Sid dogpile, Sid victory with no bonus food at start, Sid victory without building the Great Library, nuking the UN site to win by diplomacy, ultra-bombers, breath-taking final 22 turns

    LotR11 – Mayan Menace
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67724
    Version: C3C 1.00
    Civ: Maya
    Difficulty: Demi-god
    Variant: Maximum Aggression opponents
    Roster: Arathorn, LKendter, Arizona_Steve, Coffee, Belisar
    Dates: November 5, 2003 – December 9, 2003
    Result: Domination victory in 1395 AD
    Score: ???
    Reasons to read: Combat, buying armies with cash from captured cities

    LotR12 – In AWE of Rome
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/archive/index.php/t-75983.html
    Version: C3C 1.15
    Civ: Rome
    Difficulty: Emperor
    Variant: Always War (AWE)
    Roster: Arathorn, Arizona_Steve, (Ridgelake, T-hawk, Aggie)
    Dates: January 19, 2004 – January 20, 2004
    Result: Conquest loss in 2800 BC
    Score: ??? (very low)
    Reason to read: Very short and fast

    LotR13 – Schizo SGers
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=86752
    Version: C3C 1.15
    Civ: Custom (Japan)
    Difficulty: Monarch
    Variant: Passive Always War
    Roster: Arathorn, Kylerean, T-hawk, Arizona_Steve, T_McC
    Dates: April 29, 2004 – June 22, 2004
    Result: Domination win in 1878 AD
    Score: ???
    Reason to read: Propaganda, city names, culture flips, resource battles

    LotR14 – RAW (and uncut?)
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=92212
    Version: C3C 1.22
    Civ: Aztecs
    Difficulty: Regent
    Variant: Always war – 32 civs on a small map, limited armies
    Roster: Arathorn, Kylerean, Reagan, T-hawk, Speaker
    Dates: June 25, 2004 – July 30, 2004
    Result: Domination win in 720 AD
    Score: 4570
    Reason to read: Earliest SG city sacking, 31 foes in AW, extremely early combat

    LotR15 – Open Regent with a Twist
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=92599
    Version: C3C 1.22
    Civ: China (random)
    Difficulty: Regent
    Variant: 100 turns of shift-enter at the beginning (LATE start)
    Participants: Arathorn, Zwingli, Kylerean, microbe, 6thGenTexan, grs, LKendter, Coilean, SesnofWthr, T_McC, Foresight
    Dates: June 29, 2004 – August 1, 2004
    Result: Domination win in 1772 AD
    Score: 2201
    Reason to read: Recovery from a huge hole

    Arathorn

    Edit: Links fixed, I hope.
     
  3. Speaker

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    Hey Arathorn. Looking forward to "Scouting" Civ4 with you and the rest of the fellowship.
     
  4. BeefBayford

    BeefBayford Going Steady

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    Great list Arathorn :goodjob: I'll have to peruse these SG's and hopefully I'll be equipped to run with you on Civ4!
    EDIT: Some of the links are to the wrong threads, ie LotR10-14 all lead to LotR10.
     
  5. Arathorn

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    From what I've seen, Civ4 looks like a whole new ballgame. We'll all be walking a bit before we run. Some general tenets of good play will always hold, and hopefully I've ingrained those, but walking will be the order of the day. Heck, some of us even remember when Charis irrigated deserts before cows! :)

    Links should be fixed now. Some fun reads in there. Good memories. Hopefully Civ4 will provide as many or more!

    Arathorn
     
  6. BeefBayford

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    Good stuff Arathorn, hopefully I'll be considered for LotR16 if Civ4 arrives in the UK in time :goodjob:
     
  7. Sirian

    Sirian Civ Map Programmer

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    Daring Deity and Zealous Zulus... Some of my most memorable games.

    "Always War" is now a standard game option. :thumbsup:


    - Sirian
     
  8. Arathorn

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    Sirian, I did note you'd be pretty high on the priority list by virtue of having participated in a number of LotR games....

    I feel very humbled, proud, and excited (at the same time) that always war is now a standard option. How cool is that?

    Arathorn
     
  9. Own

    Own Grasshoppah

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    In Daring Deity, building the great lighthouse at the beginning startled me. I never thought great players like Sirian, Arathorn, and Charis would get addicted by wonders :eek: .
     
  10. Sirian

    Sirian Civ Map Programmer

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    When you're ready to try an AW SG, please let me know! I'd be happy to sign up. Nothing like a throwback to the past! Maybe we can get other participants from the original AW game, too.


    - Sirian
     
  11. Skyfish

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    I wasn't in the original AW SG but I played some quite memorable ones with you Arathorn, I would be thrilled to play again with you my friend !
    Looks like I played in 4 LotR SGs as well :)

    Alas, in Europe we can not get the game before November 4th at the earliest so that pretty much rules me out for LotR16 :(
     
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    I will definitely be lurking. :D
     
  13. Sullla

    Sullla Patrician Roman Dictator

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    Own, that was the first Succession Game win EVER on Deity. The strategies that became cookie-cutter later on Deity didn't come out of nowhere. It was people like Arathorn and Sirian who pushed the envelope, discovered what WERE the best moves to make, and blazed the trails that everyone else would follow later. I always felt sorry for everyone who came along later with Civ3, those who missed out on those first couple months of exploration before certain tried and true strategies developed. We reverse-engineered the entire game eventually; heck, we even found out stuff the Firaxians didn't know about! :lol:

    And now we've got a blank canvas again to work with - that's what makes this such an exciting time. The next couple of months are going to be a lot of fun for everyone involved. :D
     
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    I feel sorry for myself for that reason, though happy that I made it to winning consistently on Monarch without ever getting outside. That excitement of the beginning exploration is invaluable, and I hope I have enough time to really get to take part in it all. And maybe, if I am really lucky, see something, even if it is one little thing, that no one really caught before and changes the way it is played. At least I wouldn't feel as though I was always playing on borrowed ideas, as I do in playing Civ3.
     
  15. Arizona_Steve

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    OK, I'm back. Haven't gone out and bought the game yet. I'm sure people will be posting their initial impressions of the game, and hopefully it won't go the way of MOO3. If first impressions looks good, I'll sneak out of work today and try to find it (and probably take the afternoon off!).
     
  16. Zed-F

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    Arathorn, we still need to get together for a game. :) I never did play with you in a LotR game, just in some RB games IIRC, but I do remember that we had always meant to get together again and never got around to it... and then I didn't pick up the Civ3 expansions. I doubt I'll be able to sign up for LotR1, but when I do get around to getting Civ4, I'll be sure to look you up.
     
  17. Arathorn

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    @Skyfish -- glad to see you back around. I hoped you'd be keeping up on Civ4, even after it went to Take2. I have some very tentative plans for LotR17, but I need a bit of time to adjust to the game first.

    @Arizona_Steve -- another "blast from the past" -- good to see you around again, too. I hope your Civ4 copy arrives promptly. Mine's looking pretty good for ~10:00 Central Time tomorrow (but who's counting? :))

    @Zed-F -- Definitely! I look forward to it. I don't know if I'll get as many years of gameplay out of Civ4 as I did Civ3, but I think/hope/expect to be here a while.

    @the rest -- Happy to have lurkers and I hope the series grows in participants over time!

    Arathorn
     
  18. ChrTh

    ChrTh Mmm...tasty!

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    That's why I'm upset I won't be joining the party for a few more months (MBA finished in December, then I have to upgrade the PC at Xmas before I can get the game) ... but I guess reading all the LK and LOTR threads will keep me going until then :goodjob: ... and then we'll be ready for some Training Day Games! :D
     
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    Just keep a warm place for me in your first Always War SG, we know who the original warriors are ;)
     
  20. Arathorn

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    Well, I can officially sign up for LotR16 now. I have Civ4 in my hot little hands. No playing for LONG hours at work first, though. Patience may be a virtue, but I'm craving my vice right about now.

    Arathorn
     

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