Lord Yanaek
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In the recent Modern Age live-stream, FXS_Sar proudly announced that Civ7 will have the highest amount of civilizations at launch for the series (31 Civs and 26 Leaders). Is anybody else worried that those numbers are actually quite low?
Civilizations are now age-exclusive. Those 31 civs have to be divided among 3 ages. Assuming an equal spread, that means we'll have a choice of 10-11 civilizations to start the game. By comparison, Vanilla Civ6 with only 20 civilizations had twice as many options to choose from!
Then we have the question of leaders. Those 26 leaders include "personnas" (alternate takes on the same leader). IIRC there are 5 of those which leaves 21 "real" leaders. Again assuming roughly equal spread (leader's don't have to be equally spread unlike civilizations, but it's probably safe to assume they will be roughly spread over the 3 ages) that's 7-8 antiquity leaders. From what we've seen in the dev streams, the AIs seem to pick up as historically accurate leaders as possible for their civilization (avoiding Napoleon Bonaparte, Pharaoh of Egypt). All of the games featured in the dev streams have a bunch of Antiquity leaders and (for Exploration and Modern streams), occasionally an Exploration Age leader but no Modern age leaders outside the 2 American they showcased in the 2 games of the modern stream. That's nice for immersion but would reduces the amount of available leaders. The very limited pool becomes obvious when you realize Xerxes was present in 3 out of 4 games shwon in the streams. Now there is a possibility they cherry-picked Antiquity leaders for those streams because they had them revealed already, but if really the game picks Antiquity leaders to fit their antiquity civs, with only 7-8 to choose from we'll continually face the same leaders over and over in SP games.
Obviously, this will all become better as new civs are added in DLCs / XPacks but claiming that Civ7 will have more civilizations than any previous title at launch is a bit weird when we'll only have 10-11 to choose from
I know, marketting and all that .. but while it's not really false advertizing, it's misleading at best.
Civilizations are now age-exclusive. Those 31 civs have to be divided among 3 ages. Assuming an equal spread, that means we'll have a choice of 10-11 civilizations to start the game. By comparison, Vanilla Civ6 with only 20 civilizations had twice as many options to choose from!
Then we have the question of leaders. Those 26 leaders include "personnas" (alternate takes on the same leader). IIRC there are 5 of those which leaves 21 "real" leaders. Again assuming roughly equal spread (leader's don't have to be equally spread unlike civilizations, but it's probably safe to assume they will be roughly spread over the 3 ages) that's 7-8 antiquity leaders. From what we've seen in the dev streams, the AIs seem to pick up as historically accurate leaders as possible for their civilization (avoiding Napoleon Bonaparte, Pharaoh of Egypt). All of the games featured in the dev streams have a bunch of Antiquity leaders and (for Exploration and Modern streams), occasionally an Exploration Age leader but no Modern age leaders outside the 2 American they showcased in the 2 games of the modern stream. That's nice for immersion but would reduces the amount of available leaders. The very limited pool becomes obvious when you realize Xerxes was present in 3 out of 4 games shwon in the streams. Now there is a possibility they cherry-picked Antiquity leaders for those streams because they had them revealed already, but if really the game picks Antiquity leaders to fit their antiquity civs, with only 7-8 to choose from we'll continually face the same leaders over and over in SP games.
Obviously, this will all become better as new civs are added in DLCs / XPacks but claiming that Civ7 will have more civilizations than any previous title at launch is a bit weird when we'll only have 10-11 to choose from

I know, marketting and all that .. but while it's not really false advertizing, it's misleading at best.