Mac users to Play The World!

Originally posted by Brad Oliver
The one thing I can say is that the 1.21 editor will be released soon.

Soon adv.
1. A length of time ranging of 1 microsecond to 10 billion years, depending on one's perspective.
Examples of use:
"The muon lifetime is about 2 microseconds, so the muon we're discussing won't decay any time soon."
"The sun will become a red giant soon, in a matter of only about 10 billion years."

No offense intended, Brad - I just thought this was funny in the context of your statement above.
 
Originally posted by Beamup
No offense intended, Brad - I just thought this was funny in the context of your statement above.

Don't worry - although I've noticed your continual barbs about the Civ3 editor, I haven't yet taken offense. In fact, I found your "optimistic" prediction in the other thread of 1Q 2003 funny. ;)
 
Originally posted by Brad Oliver
..although I've noticed your continual barbs about the Civ3 editor, I haven't yet taken offense...

You better watch out Beamup... you'll end up the subject of one of those secret Civ3 "Easter Eggs" ! ;)
 
Is it me, or did dojoboy's post just send the browser on a loop back to this thread?
 
Originally posted by Grey Randall
Is it me, or did dojoboy's post just send the browser on a loop back to this thread?

That thread is in the general section. I was just trying to be cute w/ our PC brethren, in regards to us also getting ...

PTW. [ :p ]

I guess we'll see how many pick up on it. Or, we'll see how "un-funny" I really am.
 
Originally posted by Brad Oliver
Don't worry - although I've noticed your continual barbs about the Civ3 editor, I haven't yet taken offense. In fact, I found your "optimistic" prediction in the other thread of 1Q 2003 funny.

I'm glad you found it funny rather than offensive, since I never intended offense. On the other hand, I also haven't meant anything I've said to be a "barb," though on further reflection I can see why you might feel that way. Most of my posts here (including the poll you referred to) were in the spirit of discussion among the regular (that is, the fans rather than the developers) members of the board, regarding a subject of substantial interest, rather than being directed at you.

To take a specific example, my post above about "soon" was not intended to convey the idea that I think you are deliberately being deceptive or misleading. As a matter of fact, I believe that you are being as honest and open with us as you are permitted to be, and I appreciate that, as well as the time you put in to keep us informed. In particular, I believe that what you meant by "soon" was what most people would expect in this situation - a matter of days or weeks. However, the word is rather context-dependent (as the examples I gave illustrate), and I thought it was funny to think about that here. Kind of a, "Well, it COULD technically have meant anything, and someone inclined towards conspiracy theories could have thought that was the sense in which 'soon' was intended, but isn't that ridiculous in this situation since it was clear what was actually meant?"

That being said, it certainly is true that, at the present time, I am not a satisfied customer, and I have not been attempting to hide that fact. In addition, I've been getting progressively more cynical and pessimistic (even, perhaps, a bit depressed) as time passes (as I gather you have noted).

I hope you can understand why it is I feel as I do, as well as the fact that there is nothing personal about it. On the professional level, yes, I am dissatisfied (with, I believe, quite reasonable cause), but I am not trying to make anyone feel persecuted, angry, offended, or anything else. My intent has always been simply to express my own feelings about the situation, nothing more.

This has become rather lengthy, I suppose, but I do want you to understand where it is I'm coming from. From how you phrased your post, it seems like my posts may have been giving an impression quite different from what I intended. I hope this has helped make it clear what exactly I mean now and have meant in the past.
 
Maybe I'm one of the PC drones, but the fact that PTW for Mac was not certain speaks to the downward spiral of the platform. If C3 had been made for Mac and the question was a port for PC, then that would have been different.

I will agree that that big ugly monopoly stole the show from apple, but you must also agree that apple sat on its hands while IBM clones took over the world. So now Macs are relegated to the back shelf. I remember when apple shut down a clone maker because it was doing a better job than the apple factories - how pathetic. They should have been glad to have someone make them focus on efficiency and marketshare.

If I read that QA right, firaxis is not even doing the port. They are just licensing the Mac people to do it.
 
Originally posted by alamo
Maybe I'm one of the PC drones, but the fact that PTW for Mac was not certain speaks to the downward spiral of the platform. If C3 had been made for Mac and the question was a port for PC, then that would have been different.

I will agree that that big ugly monopoly stole the show from apple, but you must also agree that apple sat on its hands while IBM clones took over the world. So now Macs are relegated to the back shelf. I remember when apple shut down a clone maker because it was doing a better job than the apple factories - how pathetic. They should have been glad to have someone make them focus on efficiency and marketshare.

If I read that QA right, firaxis is not even doing the port. They are just licensing the Mac people to do it.

Easy. ;) = friendly teasing, good natured, etc... You're right about the monopoly though.
 
Originally posted by alamo
Maybe I'm one of the PC drones, but the fact that PTW for Mac was not certain speaks to the downward spiral of the platform. If C3 had been made for Mac and the question was a port for PC, then that would have been different.

How would it be different? It wouldn't signal the downward spiral of the PC any more than it would the Mac - both are established platforms that have been around a long, long time. Along the same lines, it wouldn't make sense to panic because Return to Castle Wolfenstein wasn't ported to the xbox even though other Quake3-based games were.

There are business decisions involved with these types of things, and in the case of PTW, one of the bigger ones is the fact that it's been known since before PTW went final for the PC that Mac<->PC networking was not going to be possible. That obviously limits the appeal of PTW on the Mac to some degree, so that has to be factored in.

If I read that QA right, firaxis is not even doing the port. They are just licensing the Mac people to do it.

The Firaxis folks don't have a Mac programmer on staff. Nothing against their skills, but if they were to do the port internally while learning to program the Mac at the same time, odds are very good that the Mac version would be a bit rougher around the edges than having it done by developers who work on Mac games for a living.

This is actually a a common scenario across all platforms : most console ports are done by entirely different teams from the original platform, and it certainly doesn't signal anything unusual or bad. Our company did the Deus Ex port for PS2, for example.

Brad
 
You would think the Incas would have a spot, all things considered, but with PTW's editor, somebody may yet add them.

They have been added.. along with the Hungarians (my wife hates that..she's Romanian)..and heaps more that fill up the maximum of 31 playable civs in all in TETURkan's mod which is downloadable from
CFC and also comes in the PTW box..
The Incans and Hungarians :mad: use sween32's marvellous leaderheads.. which are also downloadable from CFC
 
Shame you can't post multiple images in one post on these forums
 

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Originally posted by Architekt
Here are the leaderheads used by the incan's and Hungarians..(The hungarians use sween's
Robert the bruce Leaderhead.....)
Wow. That's pretty good.

Can't wait to get in there and tinker!
 
Interesting that Robert The Bruce looks like MacFarland, the actor that portrayed Robert The Bruce in Braveheart.
 
Originally posted by Brad Oliver
The one thing I can say is that the 1.21 editor will be released soon.
Soon. I am repeating the "soon" mantra.

[placing hands in tantric mouse-click positions...]
Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon.
Sooooooooooooon.
Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon.
Sooooooooooooon.
Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Sooooooooooooon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon. Soon.
Sooooooooooooon.

There. I feel much better.

No I don't. Who am I kidding? I'm bordering on a hundred hours since I heard this latest "soon." Okay, I admit I am a Civ Addict and I have no control.

"Hi, I'm EJ, and I'm a Civ Addict..."
[nodding sheepishly to other Civ Addicts]
 
Wait.... Mac users won't be able to Play The World along side PC users? If that's ture then my plans are ruined! Let's just hope I misread...
 
Originally posted by Beamup


Soon adv.
1. A length of time ranging of 1 microsecond to 10 billion years, depending on one's perspective.
Examples of use:
"The muon lifetime is about 2 microseconds, so the muon we're discussing won't decay any time soon."
"The sun will become a red giant soon, in a matter of only about 10 billion years."

No offense intended, Brad - I just thought this was funny in the context of your statement above.

Ok, so, after all is said and done, any idea of what exactly was meant by "soon?" Perhaps a slightly more specific timeframe?
 
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