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MacLordsv01 ~ By Any Means Necessary

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by dojoboy, May 2, 2007.

  1. Onagan

    Onagan The Dutch

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  2. dojoboy

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    Playing this evening.
     
  3. dojoboy

    dojoboy Tsalagi

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    Playing now. Will not finish reight away, because I've got to carry my son to baseball practice. Two things have occurred so far:

    (1) We captured & razed Macau.
    (2) The Great General Subutai has arrived!

    Please post thoughts on how we want to use Subutai. I don't want to hold him for 9 more turns. Attach him to a knight and take :health: and movement promotions?
     
  4. willpax

    willpax Warlord

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    Since I lost our first medic, and we are planning to continue a long campaign, I think another medic is in order.


    I'll try to be more careful with this one. :blush:
     
  5. Welnic

    Welnic Emperor

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    I'm going to be gone from now until next Wednesday, so you can just skip me i it works out that way.
     
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  7. dojoboy

    dojoboy Tsalagi

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    Sorry, I had gone back to gameplay before your response.

    Pre-turn - 1454 AD No moves;

    1 - 1460 AD - Istanbul b. pikeman, set to bank; Rostov b. treb, set to cat; St. Petersburg b. pikeman, set to knight; captured & razed Macau (pillaged 76 :gold: ); Maceman killed Chinese knight outside of Carthage - Great General (Subutai) generated;

    IBT - Lost 2 units outside of Hippo; :(

    2 - 1466 AD - Yaroslavl b. stable, set to knight; killed 2 Chinese knights outside of Carthage;

    3 - 1472 AD - Military Tradition achieved, set to Chemistry (16 turns); Moscow b. Conf. Mon., set to Cossack; pillaged horses by Hippo;

    4 - 1478 AD - St. Petersburg b. Cossack, set to Cossack; Novgorod b. treb, set to cat; Rostov b. cat, set to cat; Yekaterinburg b. forge, set to Christ. Mon.; New Kerk b. treb, set to Cossack;

    5 - 1484 AD - Yakutsk b. forge, set to courthouse; attached GG to knight (Flanking I & Flanking II), promoted to Combat I, Medic I, & Medic II; took free upgrade for Warlord unit (knight - cossack);

    IBT - Won 1, lost 2 in defense of Carthage;

    6 - 1490 AD - St. Petersburg b. Cossack, set to Cossack; Rostov b. cat, set to cat; Yaroslavl b. Cossack, set to Cossack; Hannibal gains a GG;

    7 - 1496 AD - battles won, battles lost;

    8 - 1502 AD - battles won, battles lost;

    9 - 1508 AD - Moscow b. Cossack, set to Cossack; St. Petersburg b. Cossack, set to Cossack; Novgorod b. cat, set to cat; Rostov b. cat, set to cat; Great Prophet generated in Yekaterinburg;

    10 - 1514 AD - Yekaterinburg b. Christian Monastery, set to Christian Missionary; Carthage b. WB, set to courthouse; Clams were pillaged outside of Carthage, so new WB went there :( ; Hippo under siege, defenses reduced to 32%;

    Forces currently outside of Hippo:


    Recap - Cossacks and cats/trebs are moving west. They should converge on Hippo. Carthage is in position to defend itself, but pay attention - if a unit is lost reinforce it. Subutai (Cossack Warlord) is wounded (9/15) - PROTECT HIM - he'll heal quickly. Let's manage his ascension to greatness = use him when odds are heavily in our favor.



    Research is at 40% - gaining 16 gpt (Chemistry in 13 turns). Elizabeth & Gandhi will give 300+ :gold: and Divine Right for MT, but I'd rather have Education from Gandhi than Divine Right. Should we go for it? Gandhi will take the same deal w/ Education. Mao now wants Carthage only for peace. He's an idiot! Oh, and what do we want to do w/ our Great Prohet in Yekaterinburg?



    Spoiler :
    Turn 301/660 (1460 AD) [16-Jun-2007 08:13:46]
    Istanbul begins: Bank (30 turns)
    Rostov begins: Catapult (3 turns)
    St. Petersburg begins: Knight (3 turns)
    Maceman promoted: Cover
    Catapult promoted: Drill I
    Catapult promoted: Drill II
    Pikeman promoted: City Raider I
    Pikeman promoted: City Raider II
    While attacking in Chinese territory at Macau, Pikeman loses to: Chinese Longbowman (1.32/6) (Prob Victory: 9.6%)
    While attacking in Chinese territory at Macau, Maceman defeats (6.64/8): Chinese Pikeman (Prob Victory: 88.2%)
    While attacking in Chinese territory at Macau, Pikeman defeats (6.00/6): Chinese Longbowman (Prob Victory: 98.0%)
    Captured Macau (Mao Zedong)
    Razed Macau
    Macau lost
    Maceman promoted: Formation
    Subutai (Great General) born in St. Petersburg
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Maceman defeats (6.48/8): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 63.0%)
    St. Petersburg grows: 14
    Yaroslavl' finishes: Stable
    While defending in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Pikeman loses to: Carthaginian Longbowman (3.60/6) (Prob Victory: 43.2%)
    While defending in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Pikeman defeats (4.80/6): Carthaginian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 43.2%)
    While defending in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Catapult loses to: Carthaginian Pikeman (4.92/6) (Prob Victory: 27.0%)

    Turn 302/660 (1466 AD) [16-Jun-2007 08:36:37]
    Yaroslavl' begins: Knight (6 turns)
    Knight promoted: Formation
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Knight defeats (3.20/10): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 75.5%)
    Pikeman promoted: Combat I
    Pikeman promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman defeats (3.96/6): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 76.9%)
    While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Utica, Pikeman loses to: Carthaginian Longbowman (4.80/6) (Prob Victory: 43.2%)
    A Watermill was built near Yaroslavl'
    Tech learned: Military Tradition
    Moscow finishes: Confucian Monastery
    While defending in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Pikeman loses to: Chinese Maceman (8.00/8) (Prob Victory: 3.3%)
    While defending in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Pikeman defeats (0.30/6): Carthaginian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 40.7%)

    Turn 303/660 (1472 AD) [16-Jun-2007 09:59:16]
    Research begun: Chemistry (16 Turns)
    Moscow begins: Cossack (7 turns)
    A Farm was built near Yakutsk
    Pikeman promoted: Combat I
    Pikeman promoted: Medic I
    St. Petersburg finishes: Cossack
    Novgorod finishes: Trebuchet
    Rostov finishes: Catapult
    Yaroslavl' grows: 8
    Yekaterinburg finishes: Forge
    New Kerk finishes: Trebuchet
    Yakutsk grows: 4

    Turn 304/660 (1478 AD) [16-Jun-2007 10:07:43]
    St. Petersburg begins: Cossack (3 turns)
    Novgorod begins: Catapult (5 turns)
    Rostov begins: Catapult (3 turns)
    Yekaterinburg begins: Christian Monastery (6 turns)
    New Kerk begins: Cossack (12 turns)
    Catapult promoted: Barrage I
    Catapult promoted: Barrage II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Catapult loses to: Chinese Maceman (8.00/8) (Prob Victory: 0.0%)
    Pikeman promoted: Combat I
    Pikeman promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in Russian territory near New Kerk, Pikeman defeats (4.08/6): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 88.9%)
    Catapult promoted: Barrage I
    Catapult promoted: Barrage II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Catapult loses to: Chinese Maceman (6.24/8) (Prob Victory: 0.0%)
    Pikeman promoted: Combat I
    Pikeman promoted: Shock
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman loses to: Chinese Maceman (2.08/8) (Prob Victory: 3.5%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 73.0%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman loses to: Chinese Maceman (0.88/8) (Prob Victory: 89.8%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman defeats (4.08/6): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 95.1%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman defeats (2.04/6): Chinese Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 60.5%)
    A Mine was built near Yakutsk
    A Mine was built near Yakutsk
    Yakutsk finishes: Forge
    While defending in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Pikeman defeats (0.48/6): Carthaginian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 51.2%)

    Turn 305/660 (1484 AD) [16-Jun-2007 10:17:12]
    Yakutsk begins: Courthouse (12 turns)
    Trebuchet promoted: Barrage I
    Catapult promoted: Barrage I
    Catapult promoted: Barrage II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Catapult loses to: Chinese Knight (10.00/10) (Prob Victory: 0.4%)
    Trebuchet promoted: Barrage I
    Trebuchet promoted: Barrage II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Trebuchet loses to: Chinese Knight (7.40/10) (Prob Victory: 0.3%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Maceman defeats (2.48/8): Chinese Maceman (Prob Victory: 66.9%)
    Pikeman promoted: Formation
    Pikeman promoted: Combat I
    Pikeman promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman defeats (4.98/6): Chinese Catapult (Prob Victory: 77.3%)
    Pikeman promoted: Combat I
    Pikeman promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman loses to: Chinese Knight (0.70/10) (Prob Victory: 96.0%)
    Subutai (Knight) promoted: Lead by Warlord
    Subutai (Knight) promoted: Combat I
    Subutai (Knight) promoted: Medic I
    Subutai (Knight) promoted: Medic II
    A Town was built near Moscow
    St. Petersburg finishes: Cossack
    Rostov finishes: Catapult
    Yaroslavl' finishes: Cossack
    While defending in Russian territory at Carthage, Knight loses to: Chinese Trebuchet (3.20/4) (Prob Victory: 30.6%)
    While defending in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman defeats (1.44/6): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 76.9%)
    While defending in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman loses to: Chinese War Elephant (6.08/8) (Prob Victory: 68.7%)
    While defending in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Pikeman loses to: Carthaginian Musketman (9.00/9) (Prob Victory: 0.0%)

    Turn 306/660 (1490 AD) [16-Jun-2007 10:28:13]
    St. Petersburg begins: Crossbowman (2 turns)
    Rostov begins: Catapult (3 turns)
    Yaroslavl' begins: Cossack (7 turns)
    St. Petersburg begins: Cossack (3 turns)
    Musketman promoted: Combat I
    Musketman promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Musketman defeats (0.45/9): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 83.3%)
    Maceman promoted: Combat III
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Maceman defeats (2.32/8): Chinese War Elephant (Prob Victory: 74.5%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Subutai (Cossack) defeats (13.05/15): Chinese War Elephant (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman defeats (5.10/6): Chinese Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 97.5%)
    While defending in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Maceman defeats (1.44/8): Chinese Musketman (Prob Victory: 33.2%)
    While defending in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Maceman loses to: Chinese Trebuchet (2.08/4) (Prob Victory: 1.3%)
    While defending in Carthaginian territory near Utica, Catapult loses to: Chinese Catapult (5.00/5) (Prob Victory: 0.1%)

    Turn 307/660 (1496 AD) [16-Jun-2007 13:49:27]
    A Cottage was built near Istanbul
    New Kerk grows: 8
    While defending in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Trebuchet loses to: Chinese Knight (10.00/10) (Prob Victory: 0.1%)
    Civics Change: Hannibal(Carthage) from 'Decentralization' to 'Mercantilism'

    Turn 308/660 (1502 AD) [16-Jun-2007 13:52:44]
    Pikeman promoted: Combat I
    Pikeman promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman defeats (6.00/6): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Subutai (Cossack) defeats (11.10/15): Carthaginian Knight (Prob Victory: 99.4%)
    While attacking in Russian territory near New Kerk, Cossack defeats (7.20/15): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 99.3%)
    A Farm was built near Yakutsk
    A Mine was built near Yaroslavl'
    Moscow finishes: Cossack
    St. Petersburg finishes: Cossack
    Novgorod finishes: Catapult
    Rostov finishes: Catapult
    Yekaterinburg grows: 13
    Mo Tzu (Great Prophet) born in Yekaterinburg

    Turn 309/660 (1508 AD) [16-Jun-2007 13:56:31]
    Moscow begins: Cossack (7 turns)
    St. Petersburg begins: Cossack (3 turns)
    Novgorod begins: Catapult (5 turns)
    Rostov begins: Catapult (3 turns)
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack defeats (13.05/15): Chinese War Elephant (Prob Victory: 97.0%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Subutai (Cossack) defeats (9.00/15): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 91.5%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman defeats (6.00/6): Chinese Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 97.1%)
    Yekaterinburg finishes: Christian Monastery
    Carthage finishes: Work Boat
    While defending in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Pikeman loses to: Chinese Maceman (5.12/8) (Prob Victory: 26.2%)
    A Fishing Boats was destroyed near Carthage

    Turn 310/660 (1514 AD) [16-Jun-2007 14:02:35]
    Yekaterinburg begins: Christian Missionary (4 turns)
    Carthage begins: Courthouse (60 turns)
    While attacking in Russian territory near Carthage, Trireme defeats (1.68/2): Carthaginian Galley (Prob Victory: 88.1%)
    A Fishing Boats was built near Carthage
    While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack defeats (13.05/15): Chinese Maceman (Prob Victory: 97.7%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Pikeman defeats (3.84/6): Carthaginian Knight (Prob Victory: 74.1%)
    While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Chinese Catapult (Prob Victory: 98.9%)
     

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  8. Onagan

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    Great Prophet gives 5:gold: + 2:hammers:. So i would settle him in our holy city, which will be our financial centre. So in the future we MUST place Wall street here.

    The extra gold keeps our science rate higher.
     
  9. dojoboy

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    I agree.

    Order of Play:

    dojoboy (UTC -5) - just finished
    willpax (UTC -5) - up :whipped:
    Welnic (UTC -7) - on deck NOTE: Absent until Wednesday, June 20 - may need skip.
    Aoxomoxoa (UTC -8) - warming up
    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu (UTC -8) NOTE: Also absent until Wednesday, June 20 - may need skip.
    Onagan (UTC +1)

    willpax, if you're anxious about warring, be sure to include your thoughts in your preturn post. After a couple more Cossacks and cats arrive, Hippo should be ours. :mwaha:
     
  10. willpax

    willpax Warlord

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    Posting a got it.

    My turns look fairly straightforward: position forces around Hippo, reduce defenses, and take the city, then reposition around the final Carthagenian city (which also consolidates our front with Mao). Keep building cossacks and siege units in most places.

    I'll try to play Tuesday night, which will give Welnic a chance to play in normal order and everyone else a chance to chime in with suggestions.
     
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    Was in the middle of play (1526): Ghandi offers Constitution and 310 gold for military tradition. They are worth the same amount of beakers, so this is a good deal from that standpoint; on the other hand, this would probably end our monopoly of the tech. I thought I would ask what people thought before playing on. Should I take it or not?
     
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    See what the others offer during your turn. Take the best offer first, etc. I personally like to get something for my techs rather than holding them, when the rivals are going to get them eventually.
     
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    I'll see what our friends have to offer and trade away, then. I should have a small window to play this morning (how I love summer as a teacher).
     
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    I agree, except for the home repairs that are needed. :(
     
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    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu forth-speaker of Mentu

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    I'm back... Haven't looked at the save yet, but the turn reports look great. I would rather have seen the Medic attached to a non-combat unit, and with Medic III, but what is, is. We should definitely have him finish off seven more crippled enemies so we can get the Medic III; and shouldn't upgrade him, so that he's never called upon to defend.

    I'd trade MT for Constitution and gold, then trade MT for whatever else you can get from the others.

    Settling the GP is probably the way to go, but what can he lightbulb?

    My girlfriend is a teacher. Summer is kind of a drag. During the school year she wakes before me, and brings me coffee. During the break I wake before her, and apparently I now need to bring her tea. Hrmph. How am I supposed to get to the kitchen without first having my coffee?
     
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    I don't know what I have against warlord units, but I lost another one. The Chinese jumped on him as he harvested exp against trebs (even though he had a Cossack escort). Luckily, we got yet another great general for a replacement, although I think I will move the warlord into Moscow during my next set of turns.

    Otherwise, a fairly productive set of turns. Hippo is captured, a stack has moved to the forested hill east of Utica, and the power graph shows the lines for Mao and the Maclords to be converging in our favor.

    1520: St. Pete builds a cossack and begins another; Rostov finishes a catapult and begins a trebuchet. Everything moves toward the front.

    1523: Pick off a few of Mao's units.

    1526: trade Military tradition to Ghandi for Constitution & 310 gold. No other trades worth while.

    1529: A day that will live in infamy: The warlord Subatai killed west of Carthage by Chinese stack. Create new warlord unit, begin grocery in Yekaterinburg.

    1532: Hippo captured, begins theater. New Kerk begins trebuchet.

    1535: Moscow: Cossack to cossack. Rostov: Trebuchet to trebuchet. Yakutsk begins barracks. In a keyboard mistake, a pikeman attempts to attack a Chinese musket rather than pull back towards Carthage. Someone had blundered.

    1538: St. Pete: cossacks R us.

    1541: Destroy Chinese stack that was moving toward Carthage and position our stack on forested hill east of Utica. Utica isn't heavily defended--a grenadier, a few longbows, a knight and a pike.

    1544: Caesar offers to trade world maps; I decline (but that could be revisited as the save gave moves on). We begin lobbing large rocks at the outskirts of Utica.

    Spoiler :

    <b><u>Turn 310/660 (1520 AD) [19-Jun-2007 22:12:08]</b></u><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">St. Petersburg begins: Cossack (3 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Rostov begins: Trebuchet (5 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack defeats (13.05/15): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 98.2%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">Yekaterinburg's borders expand</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">Yakutsk grows: 5</span><br>
    <br>
    <b><u>Turn 311/660 (1523 AD) [19-Jun-2007 22:18:45]</b></u><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack defeats (8.85/15): Chinese War Elephant (Prob Victory: 97.0%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Subutai (Cossack) defeats (13.50/15): Chinese Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 100.0%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Yaroslavl' finishes: Cossack</span><br>
    <br>
    <b><u>Turn 312/660 (1526 AD) [19-Jun-2007 22:21:28]</b></u><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Yaroslavl' begins: Cossack (7 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Green">Tech learned: Constitution</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">A Cottage was built near Istanbul</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Subutai (Cossack) defeats (0.90/15): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 97.8%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack defeats (8.85/15): Chinese Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 99.3%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">St. Petersburg finishes: Cossack</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Novgorod finishes: Catapult</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Yekaterinburg finishes: Christian Missionary</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">A Hamlet was built near Warwick</span><br>
    <span style="color: Brown">Hamilcar Barca (Great General) born in St. Petersburg</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While defending in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Subutai (Cossack) defeats (0.90/15): Chinese Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 0.2%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Red">While defending in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Subutai (Cossack) loses to: Chinese Musketman (9.00/9) (Prob Victory: 0.0%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Red">While defending in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack loses to: Chinese Musketman (9.00/9) (Prob Victory: 31.8%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Blue">Attitude Change: Elizabeth(England) towards Gandhi(India), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'</span><br>
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    <b><u>Turn 313/660 (1529 AD) [20-Jun-2007 14:32:04]</b></u><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">St. Petersburg begins: Cossack (3 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Novgorod begins: Trebuchet (10 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Yekaterinburg begins: Grocer (14 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Red">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Trebuchet loses to: Carthaginian Musketman (6.48/9) (Prob Victory: 1.0%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Trebuchet promoted: Barrage I</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Trebuchet promoted: Barrage II</span><br>
    <span style="color: Red">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Trebuchet loses to: Carthaginian Crossbowman (2.64/6) (Prob Victory: 15.8%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Trebuchet promoted: Barrage I</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Trebuchet promoted: Barrage II</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Trebuchet defeats (2.24/4): Carthaginian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 33.9%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Trebuchet promoted: Barrage I</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Trebuchet promoted: Barrage II</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Trebuchet defeats (3.20/4): Carthaginian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 41.2%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Cossack defeats (15.00/15): Carthaginian Musketman (Prob Victory: 95.3%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Cossack defeats (9.90/15): Carthaginian Pikeman (Prob Victory: 96.7%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Cossack defeats (15.00/15): Carthaginian Crossbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Cossack defeats (11.10/15): Carthaginian Knight (Prob Victory: 99.9%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Pikeman defeats (1.92/6): Carthaginian Erwin Rommel (Knight) (Prob Victory: 89.8%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">A Quarry was built near New Kerk</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">New Kerk finishes: Cossack</span><br>
    <span style="color: Blue">Attitude Change: Elizabeth(England) towards Mao Zedong(China), from 'Annoyed' to 'Furious'</span><br>
    <br>
    <b><u>Turn 314/660 (1532 AD) [20-Jun-2007 14:37:53]</b></u><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">New Kerk begins: Trebuchet (7 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Cossack defeats (13.05/15): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 99.3%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Cossack promoted: Combat I</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Cossack promoted: Pinch</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Russian territory at Carthage, Cossack defeats (8.25/15): Chinese Musketman (Prob Victory: 95.5%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory at Hippo, Cossack defeats (10.80/15): Carthaginian Knight (Prob Victory: 99.4%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Christianity has spread: Hippo</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">Captured Hippo (Hannibal)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Hippo begins: Theatre (75 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Cossack promoted: Combat I</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Cossack promoted: Pinch</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack defeats (10.50/15): Carthaginian Grenadier (Prob Victory: 95.4%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Christianity has spread: Yakutsk</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Hamilcar Barca (Cossack) promoted: Lead by Warlord</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Hamilcar Barca (Cossack) promoted: Combat I</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Hamilcar Barca (Cossack) promoted: Medic I</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Hamilcar Barca (Cossack) promoted: Medic II</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Hamilcar Barca (Cossack) promoted: Medic III</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkOrange">Hamilcar Barca (Cossack) promoted: Morale</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Moscow finishes: Cossack</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">A Town was built near Moscow</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Rostov finishes: Trebuchet</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Yakutsk finishes: Courthouse</span><br>
    <span style="color: SeaGreen">Civics Change: Gandhi(India) from 'Mercantilism' to 'Free Market'</span><br>
    <br>
    <b><u>Turn 315/660 (1535 AD) [20-Jun-2007 14:42:10]</b></u><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Moscow begins: Cossack (8 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Rostov begins: Trebuchet (5 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Yakutsk begins: Barracks (5 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Red">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Pikeman loses to: Chinese Maceman (8.00/8) (Prob Victory: 3.8%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">A Town was built near Yekaterinburg</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">St. Petersburg finishes: Cossack</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">A Town was built near Carthage</span><br>
    <br>
    <b><u>Turn 316/660 (1538 AD) [20-Jun-2007 14:46:39]</b></u><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">St. Petersburg begins: Cossack (3 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">A Workshop was built near New Kerk</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">Yaroslavl' grows: 9</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">New Kerk grows: 9</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">Carthage grows: 5</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">Yakutsk grows: 6</span><br>
    <br>
    <b><u>Turn 317/660 (1541 AD) [20-Jun-2007 14:48:50]</b></u><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack defeats (6.60/15): Chinese Musketman (Prob Victory: 98.7%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack defeats (10.80/15): Chinese Maceman (Prob Victory: 98.8%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Cossack defeats (10.95/15): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 96.4%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Pikeman defeats (2.94/6): Chinese Knight (Prob Victory: 76.9%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Hamilcar Barca (Cossack) defeats (13.35/15): Chinese Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Catapult defeats (1.60/5): Chinese Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 75.1%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Red">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Catapult loses to: Chinese Trebuchet (1.36/4) (Prob Victory: 75.1%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While attacking in Carthaginian territory near Carthage, Catapult defeats (5.00/5): Chinese Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 100.0%)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">St. Petersburg finishes: Cossack</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">A Town was built near Istanbul</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Rostov finishes: Trebuchet</span><br>
    <span style="color: DarkRed">While defending in Chinese territory near Shanghai, Trireme defeats (2.00/2): Chinese Caravel (Prob Victory: 20.3%)</span><br>
    <br>
    <b><u>Turn 318/660 (1544 AD) [20-Jun-2007 14:52:35]</b></u><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">St. Petersburg begins: Cossack (3 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: Purple">Rostov begins: Trebuchet (5 turns)</span><br>
    <span style="color: RoyalBlue">A Farm was built near New Kerk</span><br>


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  17. dojoboy

    dojoboy Tsalagi

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    :wallbash:

    Oh well, at least we have a next one. We should do as Ankh-f-n-Khonsu suggests and not attach him to a combat unit.

    I'll check the save out and offer input soon.

    We don't need a theatre in Hiipo though, per our Creative trait.
     
  18. Ankh-f-n-Khonsu

    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu forth-speaker of Mentu

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    I've noticed a lot of colonels retiring of late.

    I blame myself to some degree for sending a chariot-medic into Elizabeth's lands on an exploratory mission many centuries ago; that's where the first general ate bronze. Hamilcar Barca, with his Medic III and Morale, looks great. I'd have used a Warrior, but still. I don't know if this guy even needs to attack a barely-breathing enemy pikeman; I'm not sure there's any other promotions useful to a pure medic, and as generals becomes less common as we go forward, we really need to keep this guy alive.

    Given that MT is no longer a monopoly, trading it to Elizabeth for Education seems worthwhile. As for our own research, I'm tossed between printing press to help with the economy, or steel to keep pushing our military. Of course, just getting out of this war will be a great service to our economy.

    An alternative would be to get that Education and research Liberalism, then switch to Free Religion. Our diplomatic relations suck. Those who are pleased by us hate Mao as well, but won't even consider attacking him because our religion prevents their building a friendship with us.

    As long as we have to keep fighting -- that is, as long as Mao continues to demand an unreasonable price for peace -- we should avoid taking any more cities. Our geography is getting nasty, as well as our maintenance. I'd raze Utica, then move on to Shandong. Maybe once their own blood spills, rather than their allies', the Chinese will take peace on proper terms.
     
  19. dojoboy

    dojoboy Tsalagi

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    dojoboy (UTC -5)
    willpax (UTC -5) - just finished
    Welnic (UTC -7) - up :whipped:
    Aoxomoxoa (UTC -8) - on deck
    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu (UTC -8) - warming up
    Onagan (UTC +1)

    Btw, willpax dusted me in WOTM08! :goodjob:
     
  20. Welnic

    Welnic Emperor

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    Hannibal is gone. I kept 3 of the cities. We are running at 30&#37; science, 10% luxury and losing 16 gpt, but we have 1005. I'm trying to keep a fair amount of money so that we can make CRII macemen and upgrade them to grenadiers. There are 14 turns to Printing Press. We could probably trade for economics and liberalism. I don't see much use for liberalism, but if Liz goes to Free Market then that would be a good time for us to also. Liz gave me 330 and Education for Military Tradition.

    Made some libraries and such in some towns so we wouldn't have citizen specialists. Moscow is making missionaries for Yakutsk and Yaraslavsl' since they are making units. There is a GG in St. Petersburg, either for a military academy or instructor. I had to make some jails in the big cities. Gandhi has gone to Emancipation, so that unhappiness will start building. We will get either an engineer or scientist out of Moscow in two turns. Leptis will probably need to whip a Lighthouse to feed everybody when it comes out of revolt.

    We are about ready to attack Xian as soon as the Cossacks heal a little. There is a couple of enemy stacks running around, but I don't think that they will be a problem. There are enough units in Utica, but they might be able to capture Hadrumetum, at least for a few turns.

    Mao will give us all of his money for peace, but I think we should just go ahead and hammer him while Cossacks are supreme.

    Spoiler :
    Hippo begins: Courthouse (180 turns)
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    Cossack promoted: Flanking I
    Cossack promoted: Sentry
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    Catapult promoted: Barrage I
    Catapult promoted: Barrage II
    Pikeman promoted: Formation
    Pikeman promoted: Combat I
    Pikeman promoted: Combat II
    Istanbul finishes: Bank
    Yaroslavl' finishes: Cossack
    Yekaterinburg grows: 11
    Yekaterinburg finishes: Grocer

    Turn 319/660 (1547 AD) [21-Jun-2007 22:24:10]
    Tech learned: Education
    Istanbul begins: Colosseum (7 turns)
    Yaroslavl' begins: Musketman (5 turns)
    Yekaterinburg begins: Theatre (3 turns)
    A Cottage was built near Carthage
    A Mine was built near New Kerk
    A Town was built near Novgorod
    Yekaterinburg finishes: Theatre
    New Kerk finishes: Trebuchet
    Yakutsk finishes: Barracks

    Turn 320/660 (1550 AD) [21-Jun-2007 22:38:00]
    Yekaterinburg begins: Barracks (5 turns)
    New Kerk begins: Library (4 turns)
    Yakutsk begins: Stable (5 turns)
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    Cossack promoted: Combat III
    Judaism has spread: Utica
    Captured Utica (Hannibal)
    Utica begins: Courthouse (180 turns)
    Maceman promoted: Combat IV
    St. Petersburg finishes: Cossack
    Istanbul finishes: Colosseum
    Attitude Change: Elizabeth(England) towards Mao Zedong(China), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'

    Turn 321/660 (1553 AD) [21-Jun-2007 22:54:43]
    St. Petersburg begins: Aqueduct (5 turns)
    Istanbul begins: Grocer (25 turns)
    Istanbul begins: Jail (20 turns)
    Cossack promoted: Flanking II
    A Farm was built near Carthage
    Tech learned: Chemistry
    Moscow finishes: Cossack
    Istanbul grows: 14
    Rostov finishes: Trebuchet
    Hippo's borders expand

    Turn 322/660 (1556 AD) [21-Jun-2007 23:05:54]
    Research begun: Printing Press (24 Turns)
    Moscow begins: Jail (9 turns)
    Rostov begins: Cossack (8 turns)
    Rostov begins: Stable (5 turns)
    Razed Thapsus
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    Cossack promoted: Combat III
    Cossack promoted: Flanking I
    Cossack promoted: Sentry
    Cossack promoted: Flanking I
    Cossack promoted: Sentry
    Novgorod finishes: Trebuchet
    Yaroslavl' finishes: Musketman
    Yekaterinburg finishes: Barracks
    New Kerk finishes: Library
    Carthage grows: 6
    Hippo finishes: Courthouse

    Turn 323/660 (1559 AD) [21-Jun-2007 23:19:37]
    Novgorod begins: Lighthouse (9 turns)
    Yaroslavl' begins: Grenadier (6 turns)
    Yekaterinburg begins: University (18 turns)
    New Kerk begins: Maceman (5 turns)
    Hippo begins: Theatre (9 turns)
    Pikeman promoted: Combat III
    Judaism has spread: Hadrumetum
    Captured Hadrumetum (Hannibal)
    Hadrumetum begins: Courthouse (180 turns)
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    Cossack promoted: Combat III
    Carthage finishes: Courthouse
    Yakutsk finishes: Stable

    Turn 324/660 (1562 AD) [21-Jun-2007 23:38:00]
    Carthage begins: Work Boat (8 turns)
    Yakutsk begins: Cossack (8 turns)
    Christianity has spread: Illinois
    Captured Illinois (Hannibal)
    Razed Illinois
    Illinois lost
    Cossack promoted: Combat III
    Christianity has spread: Shandong
    Captured Shandong (Mao Zedong)
    Razed Shandong
    Shandong lost
    A Pasture was built near Hippo
    St. Petersburg finishes: Aqueduct
    Yekaterinburg grows: 11
    Carthage grows: 4
    Carthage finishes: Work Boat
    Yakutsk grows: 7

    Turn 325/660 (1565 AD) [21-Jun-2007 23:52:32]
    St. Petersburg begins: Jail (6 turns)
    Carthage begins: Library (10 turns)
    Cossack promoted: Combat III
    A Farm was built near Rostov
    Istanbul grows: 15
    A Town was built near Istanbul
    Rostov finishes: Stable
    Carthage's borders expand
    Civics Change: Gandhi(India) from 'Representation' to 'Universal Suffrage'
    Civics Change: Gandhi(India) from 'Slavery' to 'Emancipation'

    Turn 326/660 (1568 AD) [22-Jun-2007 00:01:10]
    Rostov begins: Cossack (8 turns)
    A Fishing Boats was built near Carthage
    A Town was built near Novgorod
    Istanbul finishes: Jail
    Utica finishes: Courthouse

    Turn 327/660 (1571 AD) [22-Jun-2007 00:09:20]
    Istanbul begins: Grocer (25 turns)
    Utica begins: Barracks (10 turns)
    A Winery was built near Carthage
    A Windmill was built near Carthage
    Moscow finishes: Jail
    Yaroslavl' grows: 9
    New Kerk finishes: Maceman
    Carthage grows: 5
    Hippo finishes: Theatre

    Turn 328/660 (1574 AD) [22-Jun-2007 00:17:53]
    Moscow begins: Confucian Missionary (3 turns)
    Moscow begins: Confucian Missionary (3 turns)
    New Kerk begins: Forge (10 turns)
    Hippo begins: Library (11 turns)
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    Cossack promoted: Combat III
    Trebuchet promoted: Barrage I
    Trebuchet promoted: Barrage II
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    A Farm was built near Hippo
    Maceman promoted: City Raider I
    Maceman promoted: City Raider II
    Christianity has spread: Leptis
    Captured Leptis (Hannibal)
    Carthaginian Empire has been eliminated
    Team 5 revolts and is no longer a Vassal State of Team 4
    Leptis begins: Lighthouse (90 turns)
    Musketman promoted: City Garrison I
    Hernan Cortes (Great General) born in Moscow
    Yaroslavl' finishes: Grenadier
    A Village was built near Utica
    Attitude Change: Augustus Caesar(Rome) towards Gandhi(India), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
    Civics Change: Augustus Caesar(Rome) from 'Decentralization' to 'Free Market'

    Turn 329/660 (1577 AD) [22-Jun-2007 00:32:56]
    Yaroslavl' begins: Cossack (7 turns)
    Yakutsk begins: Grenadier (6 turns)
    Musketman promoted: City Garrison I
    A Windmill was built near Carthage


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