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MacLordsv01 ~ By Any Means Necessary

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by dojoboy, May 2, 2007.

  1. dojoboy

    dojoboy Tsalagi

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    I'm away on holiday through Sunday (23rd), using a Dell laptop - so no Mac Civ4.
     
  2. Aoxomoxoa

    Aoxomoxoa Prince

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    Sending out a beacon in search of life.
     
  3. willpax

    willpax Warlord

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    Sorry--hard drive crash has left me out of commission until now. I will download patches and mods today and get back in the swing of things.
     
  4. dojoboy

    dojoboy Tsalagi

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    I'm here. Should we give Ankh-f-n-Khonsu a skip? That would put me up at bat. ???
     
  5. Ankh-f-n-Khonsu

    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu forth-speaker of Mentu

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    I'm back... Vacation went longer than expected. Can't complain. Dojoboy, do you mind if we swap? I'm just getting re-settled into things.
     
  6. dojoboy

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    Sorry, I can get it in tomorrow.
     
  7. Ankh-f-n-Khonsu

    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu forth-speaker of Mentu

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    Dojoboy, let me know if you've already started this turn, otherwise we can go back to our regular order and try to get things moving along again.
     
  8. dojoboy

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    Sorry, go ahead and take it. I got hung up on RL.
     
  9. Ankh-f-n-Khonsu

    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu forth-speaker of Mentu

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    St Pete already has two national wonders, so we can't build the IW there, which is probably just as well. Rostov seems the right place, with lots of base hammers and ocean access. It's going to take 33 turns; 36 if we wait for the lighthouse to finish, which I guess we should. Any alternate ideas on the IW location?

    We have four banks, and one under production. I'll set one more city to build so we can start working on Wall St – in Novgorod, yes?

    Yes, and then another ironclad or two for good measure.

    Save the unlikely event that Elizabeth throws down her weapons beforehand, York and London will be captured, and Conventry razed. If England does not capitulate at that point, onward to Nottingham and Canterbury. WW is a drag, but not dire as yet.

    I'll play in about 24 hours. Any other thoughts?
     
  10. Ankh-f-n-Khonsu

    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu forth-speaker of Mentu

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    It's late, so I'll post the turn report and save tomorrow, but a quick note to let you know that London and York have been captured, and Coventry razed; Elizabeth is ready to capitulate. More later.
     
  11. Ankh-f-n-Khonsu

    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu forth-speaker of Mentu

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    Turn 1-2 (1750-1752): Battle of York, and approach to Coventry.

    Turn 3 (1754): York is captured, Coventry is razed. Belisarius, a Great General, was born in Moscow. I'd probably set up a new academy in Yakutsk, but will leave him in Moscow for Dojoboy to handle, in case anybody wants to discuss this. Also, note York has an intact ban, so we're now one shy of Wall St.

    Turn 4-7 (1756-1762): Advance toward the English capital, with incidental battles.

    Turn 8 (1764): London is captured. As expected, Elizabeth is willing to capitulate. In addition, she'll throw in at least Divine Right, 230 gold, 3 gpt, and her world map. We're currently running a 100 gpt deficit, with 1226 gold in the bank. (On that note, London has an intact bank as well, so we can begin work on Wall St.)

    I'm ending my turnset here so we can discuss the situation going forward. I think we should take her capitulation, gather our forces, and move on to our next foe. We also need to determine what to do with Belisarius, and we need to build Wall St.

    Spoiler :
    Moscow begins: Bank (12 turns)
    New Kerk begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    Rostov begins: Ironworks (33 turns)
    While attacking in English territory near Hastings, Cossack defeats (6.45/15): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 90.0%)
    Rifleman promoted: Combat I
    While attacking in English territory near Hastings, Cossack defeats (6.45/15): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 89.7%)
    St. Petersburg finishes: Grenadier
    Yekaterinburg grows: 17
    Carthage finishes: Harbor
    A Village was built near Hippo
    Hadrumetum finishes: Grenadier
    While defending in Russian territory at Warwick, Musketman defeats (4.41/9): English Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 77.7%)
    While defending in English territory at York, Cossack loses to: English Cavalry (4.20/15) (Prob Victory: 61.4%)

    Turn 390/660 (1750 AD) [03-Aug-2007 23:02:27]
    While attacking in English territory near Warwick, Cossack defeats (12.60/15): English Grenadier (Prob Victory: 90.1%)
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in English territory near Warwick, Cossack defeats (15.00/15): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 91.2%)
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in English territory near Warwick, Cossack defeats (7.80/15): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 91.2%)
    While attacking in English territory near Warwick, Musketman defeats (9.00/9): English Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
    While attacking in English territory near Hastings, Rifleman defeats (13.16/14): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    Cossack promoted: Combat IV
    Confucianism has spread: Leptis
    St. Petersburg begins: Grenadier (2 turns)
    St. Petersburg begins: Grenadier (2 turns)
    Carthage begins: Ironclad (5 turns)
    Carthage begins: Ironclad (5 turns)
    Hadrumetum begins: Cossack (10 turns)
    Hadrumetum begins: Grenadier (9 turns)
    Istanbul finishes: Confucian Missionary
    New Kerk finishes: Grenadier
    A Town was built near Hippo
    Leptis grows: 9
    While defending in English territory at York, Cossack defeats (10.65/15): English Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    While defending in English territory at York, Musketman loses to: English Cavalry (8.70/15) (Prob Victory: 1.3%)

    Turn 391/660 (1752 AD) [03-Aug-2007 23:15:57]
    Cannon promoted: Barrage II
    Cannon promoted: Barrage I
    Cannon promoted: Barrage I
    Cannon promoted: Barrage I
    Cannon promoted: Barrage I
    Cannon promoted: Barrage II
    Cannon promoted: Barrage II
    Cannon promoted: Barrage II
    Cannon promoted: Barrage II
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cossack defeats (8.70/15): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 95.3%)
    Cannon promoted: Barrage I
    Cannon promoted: Barrage I
    Cannon promoted: Barrage II
    Cannon promoted: Barrage II
    Istanbul begins: Confucian Missionary (4 turns)
    St. Petersburg finishes: Grenadier
    Rostov finishes: Lighthouse
    Utica grows: 9
    A Village was built near Hadrumetum

    Turn 392/660 (1754 AD) [03-Aug-2007 23:21:16]
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cannon loses to: English Cavalry (12.60/15) (Prob Victory: 9.9%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cannon defeats (9.24/12): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 20.5%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cannon loses to: English Redcoat (3.78/14) (Prob Victory: 42.2%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cossack defeats (12.15/15): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 95.3%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cossack defeats (4.80/15): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 98.0%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cossack defeats (9.00/15): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 99.6%)
    Belisarius (Great General) born in Moscow
    While attacking in English territory at York, Rifleman defeats (6.86/14): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 96.5%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Rifleman loses to: English Cavalry (0.15/15) (Prob Victory: 96.4%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cossack defeats (15.00/15): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
    Grenadier promoted: Combat I
    Grenadier promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in English territory at York, Grenadier defeats (10.08/12): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Grenadier defeats (2.88/12): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 94.6%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Grenadier defeats (10.32/12): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cossack defeats (4.80/15): English Trebuchet (Prob Victory: 99.5%)
    While attacking in English territory at York, Cossack defeats (6.30/15): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    Christianity has spread: York
    Captured York (Elizabeth)
    While attacking in English territory at Coventry, Cannon loses to: English Redcoat (14.00/14) (Prob Victory: 3.7%)
    While attacking in English territory at Coventry, Cannon loses to: English Redcoat (7.70/14) (Prob Victory: 3.7%)
    [color=;DarkOrange"]Grenadier promoted: Pinch[/color]
    While attacking in English territory at Coventry, Cannon loses to: English Redcoat (1.96/14) (Prob Victory: 33.7%)
    While attacking in English territory at Coventry, Grenadier defeats (11.16/12): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 96.2%)
    While attacking in English territory at Coventry, Cossack defeats (15.00/15): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 99.3%)
    While attacking in English territory at Coventry, Cossack defeats (13.65/15): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    Buddhism has spread: Coventry
    Captured Coventry (Elizabeth)
    Razed Coventry
    Coventry lost
    Confucianism has spread: Newcastle
    York begins: Library (135 turns)
    Yaroslavl' finishes: Grenadier
    Yakutsk finishes: Ironclad
    Hippo grows: 10
    Utica finishes: Grenadier
    A Town was built near Warwick
    While defending in English territory at York, Grenadier loses to: English Cavalry (10.20/15) (Prob Victory: 3.8%)
    While defending in English territory near York, Cossack defeats (15.00/15): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 33.1%)

    Turn 393/660 (1756 AD) [04-Aug-2007 00:38:34]
    While attacking in Russian territory at York, Cossack defeats (13.05/15): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
    Cannon promoted: Barrage III
    Cossack promoted: Combat I
    Cossack promoted: Medic I
    Grenadier promoted: Combat I
    Grenadier promoted: Pinch
    Yaroslavl' begins: Grenadier (7 turns)
    Yakutsk begins: Ironclad (6 turns)
    Utica begins: Grenadier (6 turns)
    Utica begins: Cannon (6 turns)
    St. Petersburg finishes: Grenadier
    Carthage finishes: Ironclad
    While defending in Indian territory at Kolhapur, Grenadier loses to: English Cavalry (8.40/15) (Prob Victory: 75.5%)

    Turn 394/660 (1758 AD) [04-Aug-2007 00:45:50]
    A Lumbermill was built near Yakutsk
    St. Petersburg begins: Market (6 turns)
    Istanbul finishes: Confucian Missionary
    Hadrumetum grows: 10
    A Village was built near Hippo

    Turn 395/660 (1760 AD) [04-Aug-2007 00:54:09]
    While attacking in English territory near Madras, Grenadier loses to: English Redcoat (11.06/14) (Prob Victory: 64.9%)
    While attacking in English territory near Madras, Cossack defeats (12.30/15): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 83.9%)
    Istanbul begins: Confucian Missionary (6 turns)
    Pikeman promoted: Combat I
    Pikeman promoted: Combat II
    Yakutsk finishes: Ironclad
    Warwick finishes: Theatre
    A Hamlet was built near Hippo
    A Cottage was built near Hippo

    Turn 396/660 (1762 AD) [04-Aug-2007 01:00:17]
    While attacking in Russian territory near Carthage, Rifleman loses to: English Cavalry (5.40/15) (Prob Victory: 87.4%)
    Grenadier promoted: Combat II
    While attacking in Russian territory at Hippo, Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 99.4%)
    While attacking in English territory near York, Grenadier loses to: English Redcoat (11.20/14) (Prob Victory: 67.4%)
    While attacking in English territory near York, Cossack loses to: English Redcoat (2.80/14) (Prob Victory: 82.5%)
    While attacking in English territory near York, Cossack defeats (15.00/15): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    Confucianism has spread: Hastings
    Yakutsk begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    Warwick begins: Granary (8 turns)
    New Kerk begins: Cannon (7 turns)
    New Kerk finishes: Cannon
    Carthage grows: 11
    A Hamlet was built near Carthage
    A Town was built near Hippo
    Utica grows: 10
    Warwick grows: 10
    Warwick's borders expand

    Turn 397/660 (1764 AD) [04-Aug-2007 01:06:02]
    Cannon promoted: Barrage I
    Cannon promoted: Barrage II
    While attacking in English territory at London, Cannon loses to: English Redcoat (9.80/14) (Prob Victory: 3.7%)
    While attacking in English territory at London, Cannon loses to: English Redcoat (6.44/14) (Prob Victory: 33.7%)
    While attacking in English territory at London, Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): English Cavalry (Prob Victory: 94.7%)
    While attacking in English territory at London, Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 99.2%)
    While attacking in English territory at London, Grenadier defeats (6.24/12): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 99.3%)
    While attacking in English territory at London, Grenadier defeats (7.44/12): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 99.0%)
    While attacking in English territory at London, Grenadier defeats (9.72/12): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 99.0%)
    While attacking in English territory at London, Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): English Redcoat (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    Judaism has spread: London
    Islam has spread: London
    Buddhism has spread: London
    Captured London (Elizabeth)
    London begins: Courthouse (180 turns)
     

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  12. willpax

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    I agree on the capitulation. Some work on the economy is in order at this point. My only concern would be if such a move would complicate a domination victory because her lands would only count half (meaning we would have to mount an overseas invasion at some point).

    When I have time to look over the save I'll try to weigh in on the rest. Good work on the military campaign.
     
  13. dojoboy

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    I see nothing wrong w/ taking her as a vassal.

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    I've got the save and will review it shortly to post a preturn plan.
     
  14. Ankh-f-n-Khonsu

    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu forth-speaker of Mentu

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    dojoboy, are you still hung up in RL? Need a pass, or maybe swap with willpax?
     
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    Apologies, loading it now.
     
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    Pre-turn - 1764 AD Followed feedback and offered Elizabeth peace for capitulation, in addition to 230 :gold: , Divine Right, & 3 gpt; move troops toward Gandhi's border.

    1 - 1766 AD - Positioning units; waiting on London to come out of revolt before declaring war on Gandhi.

    2 - 1768 AD - Indian border expansion throws a wrench into the plan, perhaps it will improve when London settles down;

    3 - 1770 AD - zzz

    4 - 1772 AD - Spread Confucianism to York;

    5 - 1774 AD - Great Artist generated in Yekaterinburg (?) - would like to use him to border push London for strategic placement of units by Gandhi; moving him there, but holding off until next turn for discussion & action.

    6 - 1776 AD - zzz

    7 - 1778 AD - Discovered Railroad, set to Physics for free Great Scientist; made trade w/ Elizabeth to get Astronomy (prerequisite for Physics); bumping science rate to win race there;

    8 - 1780 AD - Nope, Gandhi already had Physics, switching to Assembly Line for Infantry & factories; dropped science rate; spread Confucianism to London; building railroads;

    9 - 1782 AD - Moving GG out of Moscow toward the potential fronts;

    10 - 1784 AD - Confucianism spread to Hippo;

    11 - 1786 AD - Played one more turn (sorry) to use the GA to border push London, but didn't get the result I was hoping for - withdrawing some forces from within Gandhi's borders;

    Recap - Might be some units on auto-move, don't believe so though; spent time positioning units near Gandhi's cities; researching toward Industrialism for Tanks; we've reached the requirement for population numbers for a Domination win, but need 15% more land area;

    Spoiler :
    Turn 399/660 (1766 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:16:57]
    Hippo begins: Grocer (11 turns)
    Utica begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    Hadrumetum begins: Grenadier (8 turns)
    Grenadier promoted: City Garrison I
    Grenadier promoted: City Garrison II
    St. Petersburg finishes: Market
    Yaroslavl' finishes: Grenadier
    New Kerk grows: 12
    Carthage finishes: Ironclad
    Newcastle's borders expand
    Newcastle finishes: Theatre

    Turn 400/660 (1768 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:23:14]
    St. Petersburg begins: Bank (7 turns)
    Yaroslavl' begins: Bank (9 turns)
    Carthage begins: Stable (4 turns)
    Newcastle begins: Library (7 turns)
    Grenadier promoted: City Garrison I
    Grenadier promoted: City Garrison II
    Novgorod finishes: Ironclad
    Istanbul finishes: Confucian Missionary
    Civics Change: Elizabeth(England) from 'Hereditary Rule' to 'Representation'

    Turn 401/660 (1770 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:26:05]
    Istanbul begins: Confucian Missionary (4 turns)
    Novgorod finishes: Grenadier
    Yekaterinburg grows: 18
    New Kerk begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    New Kerk finishes: Cannon
    A Hamlet was built near New Kerk
    A Village was built near Carthage
    Yakutsk finishes: Cannon
    Leptis grows: 10
    Warwick grows: 11
    Hastings's borders expand
    Hastings finishes: Theatre

    Turn 402/660 (1772 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:26:49]
    Novgorod begins: Forge (10 turns)
    Yakutsk begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    Hastings begins: Library (5 turns)
    Confucianism has spread: York
    Moscow grows: 20
    Moscow finishes: Bank
    Du Fu (Great Artist) born in Yekaterinburg
    Hippo grows: 11
    A Town was built near Hadrumetum
    Warwick finishes: Granary

    Turn 403/660 (1774 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:28:30]
    Warwick begins: Courthouse (12 turns)
    Istanbul finishes: Confucian Missionary
    A Town was built near Istanbul
    Carthage finishes: Stable
    Utica finishes: Cannon

    Turn 404/660 (1776 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:31:35]
    Istanbul begins: Confucian Missionary (4 turns)
    Carthage begins: Cossack (6 turns)
    Utica begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    Tech learned: Railroad
    Yaroslavl' grows: 13
    Yekaterinburg finishes: Bank
    Yakutsk grows: 13
    Newcastle finishes: Library

    Turn 405/660 (1778 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:32:49]
    Research begun: Assembly Line (13 Turns)
    Research begun: Astronomy (5 Turns)
    Research begun: Physics (5 Turns)
    Research begun: Electricity (5 Turns)
    Research begun: Assembly Line (5 Turns)
    Research begun: Industrialism (5 Turns)
    Research begun: Assembly Line (13 Turns)
    Research begun: Astronomy (5 Turns)
    Research begun: Physics (5 Turns)
    Yekaterinburg begins: Stable (4 turns)
    Newcastle begins: Courthouse (17 turns)
    Tech learned: Liberalism
    Tech learned: Astronomy
    St. Petersburg finishes: Bank
    New Kerk begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    New Kerk finishes: Cannon
    A Hamlet was built near New Kerk
    Carthage grows: 12
    A Hamlet was built near Carthage
    Utica grows: 11
    A Hamlet was built near Utica
    Hadrumetum finishes: Grenadier
    Warwick grows: 12
    York's borders expand

    Turn 406/660 (1780 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:37:30]
    St. Petersburg begins: Cossack (2 turns)
    Hadrumetum begins: Grenadier (7 turns)
    Research begun: Assembly Line (11 Turns)
    Grenadier promoted: City Garrison I
    Grenadier promoted: City Garrison II
    Confucianism has spread: London
    Moscow begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    Moscow finishes: Cannon
    Istanbul finishes: Confucian Missionary
    Yakutsk finishes: Cannon
    A Town was built near Hadrumetum
    Newcastle grows: 10
    Hastings finishes: Library
    York finishes: Library

    Turn 407/660 (1782 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:45:07]
    Istanbul begins: Cossack (10 turns)
    Yakutsk begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    Hastings begins: Barracks (5 turns)
    York begins: Grenadier (9 turns)
    St. Petersburg finishes: Cossack
    Yaroslavl' finishes: Bank
    Yekaterinburg finishes: Stable
    Hippo's borders expand
    Warwick grows: 13
    Civics Change: Augustus Caesar(Rome) from 'Slavery' to 'Emancipation'
    Civics Change: Augustus Caesar(Rome) from 'Mercantilism' to 'State Property'

    Turn 408/660 (1784 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:48:28]
    St. Petersburg begins: Cossack (2 turns)
    Yaroslavl' begins: Cossack (5 turns)
    Yekaterinburg begins: Cossack (8 turns)
    Confucianism has spread: Hippo
    Novgorod grows: 14
    Carthage finishes: Cossack
    Utica finishes: Cannon
    A Town was built near Hadrumetum

    Turn 409/660 (1786 AD) [11-Aug-2007 08:50:50]
    Carthage begins: Cossack (6 turns)
    Utica begins: Cannon (5 turns)
    London's borders expand
    London's borders expand
     

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  17. dojoboy

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  18. willpax

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    I can't load the game right this moment, but I think my plan will be to continue to position units, then perhaps attack.
     
  19. Ankh-f-n-Khonsu

    Ankh-f-n-Khonsu forth-speaker of Mentu

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    I also would have used the GA to pop London, too bad it didn't have any real effect... Earlier I suggested using the GG for an academy, based on the wrong assumption that we already had a supermedic – I guess I've lost track of all our dead GGs. :p

    Plan sounds about right, willpax. Maybe start building Wall St, although domination may be ours by the time it finishes...
     
  20. willpax

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    Here's the official "got it" post. I'll play later this afternoon (US eastern time).

    Goals: position forces for war against Ghandi. Build Wall Street in Novgorod as next build. Not kill a great general this time. :blush:
     

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