Mandatory Community Serice

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Our Conservative provincial government in an effort to "reform" our public education system instituted a "Mandatory Volunteer Work" policy for students in order to graduated from high school (I've noticed however that it's now called "Mandatory Community Service" since Mandatory Volunteer work is an oxymoron).

I'm not sure how many hours students need for their diploma (as I gradated BEFORE this plan took effect) but I believe that it's somewhere in the 40 hour range.

This really was an ingenius plan because it allowed the government to show itself as "doing something" to solve the manufactured problems with public education. Also the people being affected most (being forced into indentured servitude) were all under age 18 and thus ineligible to vote. Adults ate this all up of course due to the widely held perception that high school students are mostly lazy, useless, and headed for prison. (The reality is that drug use and pregnancies are down while the numbers going to post secondary are up).

I've also found it interesting that most of the adults in favour of this plan have never "worked" a free hour in their life for ANY cause. I've always thought that mandatory community service was the type of thing that they assign to teenage drug dealers and car theives but I guess i'm wrong about that - ALL teenagers are now guilty by association.

Recently it has come to my attention that a large corporation in my town is having a children's Christmas party (for children of employees) and they're looking for employee volunteers to help out. They're ALSO recruiting local high school students to help set up and then clean up after the party - these kids that participate will be allowed to credit hours towards their "community service" requirements.

The spirit of this initiative was to force kids to participate in the community and help out with local charities etc. So why does a multi-million dollar corporation get to use high school kids as free labour when they otherwise might have to actually PAY high school kids for this work?

It's beginning to look like this whole deal was a kick back to the governments corporate cronies - after all the only thing better than paying someone minimum wage (which hasn't gone up in 8 years) is paying somebody NOTHING (and having them forced to be there if they'd like a high school diploma).

Anyway this thread is just to express my utter disgust and to maybe start a discussion about "mandatory community service".

I think I'm writing a letter to my MPP to find out if this is somehow violating the law.
 
Heh...my one-credit pass/fail class does an awful amount of work with us doing service in the name of the college. It's great if you choose it, but some of the times have been so inconvenient....like last week...
 
In my (Catholic, private) high school we have the last 2 weeks or so of our senior year off for mandatory community service.

I think mandatory public service for high school is a good thing. What harm can it really cause?
 
Originally posted by cgannon64

I think mandatory public service for high school is a good thing. What harm can it really cause?

Hmmm, let's see...

Well, the fact that they are FORCING you to participate in something you may or may not want to do under the threat of withholding your hard earned high school diploma.
 
Don't they FORCE you to take English, which you may or may not want to do?

I think a little real-world experience is just as important as learning in the classroom.
 
Originally posted by cgannon64
Don't they FORCE you to take English, which you may or may not want to do?

I think a little real-world experience is just as important as learning in the classroom.

I agree with the English comment by the way...

But as for that real-world experience nonsense... :p
People often throw that at me when I say that I thoroughly enjoy soaking up knowledge in class. I simply respond by telling them that real-world experience (does theory exist in the non-real world or something?) is just another form of knowledge, transferred through a different medium.
 
Exactly. It is another way of learning, and it should be experienced. That's why showing videos in class occaisonally, or having debates, or playing music or all important to use in the classroom.
 
Don't you remember from the other thread that you gain true real-world knowledge by stepping on other countries' soil? Even if it's just transferring planes?
 
Originally posted by cgannon64
Exactly. It is another way of learning, and it should be experienced. That's why showing videos in class occaisonally, or having debates, or playing music or all important to use in the classroom.

I just read that you go to a private school. My comments are only aimed at state-sponsered school.

Since you are a private student, they can make you weave baskets underwater for all I care since you are paying for a service of which you are aware.
 
it's slavery of a lower class citizen plain and simple. My school doesn't have this policy and i hope it never does. If it did i'd do my best to sabotage the thing. If i wish to do community service i'll do it.
 
Originally posted by The Yankee
Heh...my one-credit pass/fail class does an awful amount of work with us doing service in the name of the college. It's great if you choose it, but some of the times have been so inconvenient....like last week...

I'm not knocking community service by any means. If a student chooses to do so then great - it really is commendable. I chose not to in high school - choosing instead to work at a real job in hopes of earning money for my college education.

The kicker of course is that many kids DO choose to do volunteer work - and this looks great on their resumes/college applications. However now that EVERYBODY is being forced to do the same thing it cheapens the work of those who really DID want to volunteer their time...
 
Originally posted by Shadylookin
it's slavery of a lower class citizen plain and simple. My school doesn't have this policy and i hope it never does. If it did i'd do my best to sabotage the thing. If i wish to do community service i'll do it.

Teenagers are really the last group that a government can discriminate against without worry due to the fact that they don't (can't) vote.
 
I didn't realize Canada had become so Communist. Must have changed a lot since I was last there.

j/k ;)

This reminds me of "mandatory fun day" in the military. That was always an oxymoron, too.
 
I know we're talking about public schools. And my answer is the same: Public schools should use textbook and regularly book learning mostly, but mix in videos, speeches, debates, and public service.

Then again, I guess I'm being a little optimistic.
 
Originally posted by RedWolf


I'm not knocking community service by any means. If a student chooses to do so then great - it really is commendable. I chose not to in high school - choosing instead to work at a real job in hopes of earning money for my college education.

The kicker of course is that many kids DO choose to do volunteer work - and this looks great on their resumes/college applications. However now that EVERYBODy is being forced to do the same thing it cheapens the work of those who reall DID want to volunteer their time...

Yeah, it's all great to volunteer. However, the last one, I was up at 4:30 in the morning to head to my college, only to take a bus back to Brooklyn and spend all day painting the outside fence of a public school that was already painted.

Volunteering for the community is great, and so is volunteering for a boost in the career, which I did for a presidential debate. But, I'd rather do something where I don't get up 2 1/2 hours before sunrise.
 
Originally posted by newfangle

Well, the fact that they are FORCING you to participate in something you may or may not want to do under the threat of withholding your hard earned high school diploma.

We usually tend todisagree on most things since i argue from the left and you the right. However on this it seems as if we've found some common ground....
 
Originally posted by PantheraTigris2
I didn't realize Canada had become so Communist. Must have changed a lot since I was last there.

j/k ;)


Seems that way doesn't it?

However the irony here is that it was implemented by a hard core right wing government.

Although this could explain why corporations get to use the "forced volunteers" as free labour (which I would think violates labour laws in this province)
 
Originally posted by RedWolf


Seems that way doesn't it?

However the irony here is that it was implemented by a hard core right wing government.

Although this could explain why corporations get to use the "forced volunteers" as free labour (which I would think violates labour laws in this province)

Well, there's left-wing & right-wing. But either can me more or less libertarian, or more totalitarian. When I said 'communist', I was referring to certain states that were/ are renowned for their extreme totalitarianism - strong control over the people. Usually, it's always been the left that you would identify with this kind of thing. Ideologically, the left wants more control over everything (& everyone, when you get to the far left). Hmmm, strange. What if you just refuse? What would they do?
 
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