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Many Leaders Game 4 - The Cultured Monarch

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by Ozbenno, Nov 6, 2007.

  1. Ozbenno

    Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    Kodii, It's not at all a problem if you want to submit the 40 round game and we'll use that (and you can catch up later).
     
  2. Ozbenno

    Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    Well the stats for the third round...



    And the all important third leg (resting Great Artists taken into account)...



    Note: Zargon is being modest about the size of his third leg (played 10 turns less) and r_rolo1 is boasting (played 1 turn more).
     
  3. Ozbenno

    Ozbenno Fly Fly Away Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    Thoughts...

    The wonders are interesting. I'm intrigued as to the reasons behind Shwedagon. All the religious civics are already open to most games, was it for the culture and priest points? Also intriguing is Apostolic, again is it to try and stop an AI victory or just culture and priest points. The Great Library gives great benefits but does tend to overpower your GP production with scientists. I always think long and hard about this one (but I'm going only GA points this game).

    pawelo still is out in front but the chasing pack is catching up.

    As for the third leg, it pays to be yellow and industrious it seems :lol: .

    All games seem very winnable from here, so have fun in the next round.
     
  4. pawelo

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    Seems that the legs haven't loaded well...

    In hindsight, I would say that the GLib might has been an error, especially in the capital. As for the AP, it pays off to have it, especially when preparing to run Sistine supported culture expansion ;)

    Sorry for the lack of comments, I'll catch up soon - been pretty busy lately :D
     
  5. Ozbenno

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    Hmmmm, they were loading fine earlier. If they don't come back, I'll re-upload.

    EDIT: Seems fine now.
     
  6. pawelo

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    Got them well this time - may have been a problem on my side. Well done for the stats - must have been a big work :goodjob:
     
  7. azaris

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    Like I mentioned in my opening analysis, the AP is most important for avoiding holy war against the other continent. Sadly I'm going to miss out, hoping at least that Roosevelt will grab it.
     
  8. Swiss Pauli

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    Good to see the CS Sling still pays out (though FINnergy and a well executed rush are boosting pawelo at least as much).

    Ozbenno is lording the Caste System categories :lol:

    I'm leading in pop but still running Slavery :crazyeye: The only city I think I underwhipped was Konya because the rest re-grow like weeds (I even 1 pop whipped a Settler in this set).

    I must say I don't get the scale of the third leg: if each artist is 4000 culture then something is awry.

    Good luck to all in the next round!
     
  9. Ozbenno

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    For example, my three cities (as per F8) had 2490, 800 and 600 culture (they didn't but this is just an example ;)). I have two artists, therefore if I bomb the artists I get my three cities at 2490, 4800 and 4600. So my third leg is 2490. I just use the 4000 culture from the GAs to up the lowest culture city in an attempt to show the potential. As all these things, a huge grain of salt applies.
     
  10. Ad Hoc

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    @ everyone and anyone

    i am interested in the reason for 'resting' a great artist, i've been considering the bombing vs settling of a GA but the only reason i can see for resting a GA is if you are unsure which cities are going to be your legendary ones.

    is this correct?
     
  11. pawelo

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    Though I never rest a GA, this is the only reason I can see.

    Experience says that early settled GA pay off more than the bombing ones - 12 :culture: is before all bonuses apply, with three cathedrals, broadway or alike and broadcasting tower, it simply becomes huge.
     
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    @Ad Hoc - Yep, that's right. I'm still unsure of my third city. I merged my first GA in my 2nd city and I'm saving the rest of my GAs for bombing in my third (whichever that may be).
     
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    thought i'd missed a super duper Oz Tactic:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  14. TriviAl

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    On the wonders:

    AP - I really like the production bonus - especially as my main 3 cities will be getting 3 religious buildings from the main faith. The other reason is to play diplomatic games with the AIs.

    GLib - it will pollute my GPP pools. However it's not in my intended NE city. It gives a good pile of culture. It also gives a nice boost to science. My plan is to hit my science goals as fast as possible.

    Shwedagon Paya - I have no idea why I built this. Don't need it. I picked up my game after a break and saw it half built. It confused me. Think evil pixies must have been meddling with my game while I was AFK. :)

    MoM - intending at least one more golden age. Possibly 2 if my GPs turn out not to be artists.
     
  15. Swiss Pauli

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    That's certainly true, but the real trick is to get the blanket finish for all three legends, so the judgement call is how far ahead the big two cities will be over each other, and especially over the third city, in the end game.

    I tend to settle too many artists and end up wishing I had one more to hand to bomb in the end game, so this time around I'm saving all but the Music freebie to see how it pans out.
     
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    ach du lieber!

    will play catch-up hopefully today.

    the only question is: do i wait until before or after pw01?
     
  17. pawelo

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    @pholk

    PLAY BOTH :lol:
    If you have to choose, do PW first ;)
     
  18. pawelo

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    I must agree with oz - no way to understand the paya in this game, aside for the culture provided.

    As for my wonders, I think I'm just addicted to the GLib. AP + Sistine + Sankore + Spiral is my goal, as I think about running a religious economy until the end (see if it works...), and aim for an early end. I am ashamed losing SoZ - this monument requirement I overlooked is just stupid... Easy GA points, plenty of culture and Statue @Joao was a lame move of mine.

    Great games going on - amazing how many different ways people took to the cultural victory :goodjob:

    The GA farming was well done to all who achieved it, I may try to get two or three of them settled in the next turnset - I'm a great fan of settling rather then bombing, even if I catch your point. In my last cultural victory - my three legs managed to achieve the victory at almost the same time, without bombing.

    Btw, 40 or 50 for the next one ?
     
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    Jooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaooooooooooooooo !!!!! , France's de Gaulle, 4th round (800 AD - 1300 AD)

    Spoiler :

    Well, as no other info was given I played 40 turns up to 1300 AD. When we left the French they just got rid of Tokugawa, but found themselves hemmed in by Ultra - REXers Joao and Roosevelt. Especially Joao settled very bold right to my borders, even stealing the Marble spot and settling nigh to my 2nd Leg at the gems spot. This insolence must not go unpunished ! Therefore as I went down the Drama -> Music Path for the Sistine I made my plans for the inevitable. And quite a lot happened during these turns. A little teaser:

    Battle Stats:
    Units victorious while attacking : 12
    Units victorious while defending : 15
    Units defeated while attacking : 8
    Units defeated while defending : 7

    But firsrt the art of slaying had to wait. Not only because I had to ensure sistine first, but also because the war with the Japanese was grievous in terms of losses. Some proof I was not ready yet:



    In the other games so far the free Music Artist went away quite quickly, whereas I had a shot at it even unto 800 AD. As I was some turns away however it happened:



    So much for the freebie. Well, I nonetheless finished researching Music - for unlocking the Sistine of course. The problem is that I have no Marble, and I don't know how advanced the other AIs are yet. The good news was that Roosey didn't know Music yet. In Ozbennos chart I was last in total beakers as I lacked techs for trading (unlike others who had managed to bulb Philosophy). Therefore I had to wait long for my chances.



    This trade was made solely for one purpose: war. I need Cats and War Elephants ASAP. I then picked up Calendar in a trade with Joao. Better getting some value out of him before destroying him...



    I also met a new face. Another relentless techer...



    He got quite bold afterwards and came demanding. That one ensured that I finally adjusted my EP spending.



    Popped another one™ ! As things stand I would've been more pleased to get this one in Kyoto or Paris, but I'll take what I get. At least there is now some production at Tokyo.



    Even without Marble I managed to finish this one:



    The payback bill is made ready.



    Time for a little private talk, my dear Joao.



    You REXed me - NOW I'm gonna BARREX you !

    The first target, coincidentally home of the Shewdagon Paya built some time earlier. Well those hammers would've been better spent on defense...



    Meanwhile Hannibal is getting more and more on my nerves. I think he just has written "Cleave me!" on his head...



    Well, as said earlier, Joao has Longbows already. But I have Catapults. Lots of Catapults. (Kyoto and Paris both churn out units at a pace of 2 every 3 turns)



    The new aquisition comes with a Courthouse and some other stuff too. Nice !



    And finally I settled the Iron/Corn/Marble spot in the Northeast.



    Got a useful event with Roosey. Yay, almost free +3 !



    The french onslaught is advancing. Here is the next target, better defended and on a hill. Therefore some bombardment needed first. Note also my Great Spy for intelligence.



    The stats:



    Conclusion:

    I'm quite pleased with the progress of this turnset. In 2 turns I will be able to field Maces, and then the fun will really begin... I did not achieve anything with religions (Taoism founded by Joao, Islam by an unknown Civ), but I don't need to. I'll take Taoism from Joao anyway. Now let's hope my next GP is the Priest for the shrine (48% chance)... I do think I'll get out of the techhole quicker now, the war with Joao will hopefully yield me some nice cities.

    Imhotep

    Spoiler The Log :

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    Turn 150/500 (800 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:28:12]
    Reminder: On Turn 190, Stop playing
    Paris grows: 8
    Kyoto finishes: Axeman

    IBT:

    Turn 151/500 (820 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:29:22]
    Kyoto begins: Axeman (2 turns)
    A Mine was built near Tokyo
    Tech learned: Construction
    Tech learned: Meditation
    Tech learned: Calendar
    Kyoto finishes: Axeman
    A Hamlet was built near Kyoto

    IBT:

    Turn 152/500 (840 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:31:50]
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    A Mine was built near Orleans
    Paris finishes: Library
    A Hamlet was built near Paris
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult
    Tokyo finishes: Barracks

    IBT:

    Turn 153/500 (860 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:32:21]
    Paris begins: Archer (3 turns)
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    Tokyo begins: Theatre (8 turns)
    Paris grows: 9
    Orleans grows: 7
    A Hamlet was built near Osaka

    IBT:

    Turn 154/500 (880 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:33:30]
    Paris finishes: Archer
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult
    Osaka grows: 7
    A Village was built near Osaka

    IBT:
    Confucianism has spread: Olmec (American Empire)

    Turn 155/500 (900 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:33:48]
    Paris begins: Lighthouse (5 turns)
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    Kyoto grows: 10

    IBT:
    Taoism founded in a distant land

    Turn 156/500 (920 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:34:16]
    A Hamlet was built near Paris
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult
    Orleans grows: 8

    IBT:

    Turn 157/500 (940 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:34:30]
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    A Mine was built
    Archer promoted: City Garrison I
    Archer promoted: City Garrison II
    Paris grows: 10
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult
    Mark Swiss (Great Spy) born in Tokyo

    IBT:

    Turn 158/500 (960 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:34:56]
    Kyoto begins: Chariot (1 turns)
    A Mine was built near Los Angeles
    Paris finishes: Lighthouse
    Kyoto finishes: Chariot

    IBT:

    Turn 159/500 (980 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:35:26]
    Paris begins: Chariot (2 turns)
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    A Pasture was built near Paris
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult
    Tokyo finishes: Theatre
    Orleans grows: 9
    Osaka finishes: Library

    IBT:

    Turn 160/500 (1000 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:36:02]
    Kyoto begins: Spearman (2 turns)
    Tokyo begins: Lighthouse (9 turns)
    Osaka begins: Theatre (10 turns)
    Tech learned: Music
    Paris finishes: Chariot
    Kyoto finishes: Spearman
    Osaka grows: 8

    IBT:
    Civics Change: Joao II(Portugal) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

    Turn 161/500 (1010 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:36:49]
    Research begun: Horseback Riding (4 Turns)
    Paris begins: The Sistine Chapel (25 turns)
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult
    A Village was built near Kyoto
    Orleans's borders expand

    IBT:

    Turn 162/500 (1020 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:37:47]
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    A Plantation was built near Orleans
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult
    Orleans grows: 10

    IBT:
    Confucianism has spread: Houston (American Empire)
    Islam founded in a distant land

    Turn 163/500 (1030 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:38:20]
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    Paris grows: 11

    IBT:

    Turn 164/500 (1040 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:39:09]
    A Farm was built near Orleans
    Tech learned: Horseback Riding
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult

    IBT:
    While defending in the wild, Chariot defeats (4.00/4): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 99.1%)

    Turn 165/500 (1050 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:39:45]
    Research begun: Civil Service (14 Turns)
    Kyoto begins: Stable (3 turns)
    Orleans finishes: Theatre
    Taoism has spread: Orleans

    IBT:
    Contact made: Carthaginian Empire

    Turn 166/500 (1060 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:40:58]
    Orleans begins: Library (13 turns)
    Osaka grows: 9

    IBT:
    While defending in the wild near Portland, Chariot defeats (2.88/4): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
    Attitude Change: Hannibal(Carthage) towards Joao II(Portugal), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

    Turn 167/500 (1070 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:41:44]
    Kyoto finishes: Stable
    Orleans grows: 11

    IBT:
    Civics Change: Hannibal(Carthage) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

    Turn 168/500 (1080 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:42:30]
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    A Cottage was built near Tokyo
    Tokyo finishes: Lighthouse
    Osaka's borders expand

    IBT:

    Turn 169/500 (1090 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:43:00]
    Tokyo begins: Axeman (5 turns)
    A Farm was built near Los Angeles
    Paris grows: 12
    Kyoto grows: 11
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant
    Osaka finishes: Theatre

    IBT:
    Attitude Change: Hannibal(Carthage) towards MLG 4 - Imhotep(France), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'

    Turn 170/500 (1100 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:43:28]
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    Osaka begins: Settler (13 turns)
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant

    IBT:

    Turn 171/500 (1110 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:44:01]
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    A Village was built near Kyoto
    A Town was built near Kyoto
    Orleans grows: 12

    IBT:

    Turn 172/500 (1120 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:44:37]
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant

    IBT:

    Turn 173/500 (1130 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:45:03]
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    Tech learned: Monotheism
    A Farm was built near Los Angeles
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant
    Tokyo's borders expand
    Tokyo finishes: Axeman
    Ludwig van Beethoven (Great Artist) born in Orleans
    A Village was built near Osaka

    IBT:
    Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Barbarism' to 'Bureaucracy'
    Civics Change: Roosevelt(America) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

    Turn 174/500 (1140 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:46:28]
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    Tokyo begins: Spearman (4 turns)

    IBT:

    Turn 175/500 (1150 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:47:36]
    A Mine was built near Tokyo
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant

    IBT:

    Turn 176/500 (1160 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:48:00]
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant

    IBT:

    Turn 177/500 (1170 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:49:20]
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    Paris grows: 13
    Paris finishes: The Sistine Chapel
    Tokyo finishes: Spearman
    A Hamlet was built near Tokyo

    IBT:

    Turn 178/500 (1180 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:49:55]
    Tech learned: Metal Casting
    Paris begins: Forge (3 turns)
    Tokyo begins: Axeman (4 turns)
    Tech learned: Currency
    War Elephant promoted: Combat I
    A Farm was built near Orleans
    A Village was built near Paris
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant

    IBT:

    Turn 179/500 (1190 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:52:33]
    Kyoto begins: Forge (3 turns)
    Tech learned: Civil Service
    Paris finishes: Forge

    IBT:

    Turn 180/500 (1200 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:53:17]
    Research begun: Machinery (956 Turns)
    Paris begins: Theatre (51 turns)

    IBT:
    Civics Change: MLG 4 - Imhotep(France) from 'Barbarism' to 'Bureaucracy'
    Civics Change: MLG 4 - Imhotep(France) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

    Turn 181/500 (1210 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:54:10]
    A Farm was built near Miami
    Paris finishes: Theatre
    Kyoto finishes: Forge
    Orleans grows: 13

    IBT:

    Turn 182/500 (1220 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:54:50]
    Paris begins: Confucian Monastery (2 turns)
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    Paris finishes: Confucian Monastery
    A Village was built near Paris
    Tokyo finishes: Axeman

    IBT:

    Turn 183/500 (1230 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:55:15]
    Paris begins: Stable (2 turns)
    Tokyo begins: Forge (6 turns)
    A Plantation was built
    Paris finishes: Stable
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant
    Osaka finishes: Settler

    IBT:

    Turn 184/500 (1240 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:55:55]
    Paris begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    Osaka begins: Forge (11 turns)
    MLG 4 - Imhotep(France) declares war on Joao II(Portugal)
    A Farm was built near Orleans
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant

    IBT:
    Attitude Change: Joao II(Portugal) towards MLG 4 - Imhotep(France), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

    Turn 185/500 (1250 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:57:17]
    Kyoto begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    War Elephant promoted: Combat I
    War Elephant promoted: Combat II
    Paris finishes: War Elephant
    Kyoto finishes: War Elephant

    IBT:
    Confucianism has spread: Boston (American Empire)

    Turn 186/500 (1260 AD) [20-Nov-2007 20:58:33]
    Paris begins: War Elephant (2 turns)
    Kyoto begins: Axeman (1 turns)
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    Catapult promoted: Barrage I
    While attacking in Portuguese territory at Braga, Catapult loses to: Portuguese Longbowman (5.28/6) (Prob Victory: 0.2%)
    Catapult promoted: Barrage I
    While attacking in Portuguese territory at Braga, Catapult loses to: Portuguese Longbowman (2.40/6) (Prob Victory: 1.3%)
    While attacking in Portuguese territory at Braga, War Elephant defeats (4.48/8): Portuguese Swordsman (Prob Victory: 44.6%)
    War Elephant promoted: Combat I
    War Elephant promoted: Shock
    While attacking in Portuguese territory at Braga, War Elephant defeats (8.00/8): Portuguese Axeman (Prob Victory: 80.5%)
    While attacking in Portuguese territory at Braga, War Elephant defeats (4.48/8): Portuguese Longbowman (Prob Victory: 85.5%)
    Confucianism has been removed: Braga (Portuguese Empire)
    Confucianism has spread: Braga
    Captured Braga (Joao II)
    Braga begins: Theatre (51 turns)
    Paris finishes: War Elephant
    Orleans finishes: Library

    IBT:
    Civics Change: Joao II(Portugal) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

    Turn 187/500 (1270 AD) [20-Nov-2007 21:03:13]
    Paris begins: Axeman (1 turns)
    Orleans begins: Courthouse (40 turns)
    Lyons founded
    Lyons begins: Theatre (50 turns)
    War Elephant promoted: Combat I
    War Elephant promoted: Medic I
    War Elephant promoted: Combat III
    Paris finishes: Axeman
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult
    Osaka grows: 10

    IBT:

    Turn 188/500 (1280 AD) [20-Nov-2007 21:05:27]
    Paris begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    Paris finishes: Catapult
    Kyoto finishes: Axeman
    Tokyo grows: 9
    Tokyo finishes: Forge
    Lyons's borders expand

    IBT:

    Turn 189/500 (1290 AD) [20-Nov-2007 21:06:46]
    Paris begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    Tokyo begins: Confucian Monastery (5 turns)
    A Quarry was built near Lyons
    Paris finishes: Catapult
    Kyoto finishes: Catapult

    IBT:

    Turn 190/500 (1300 AD) [20-Nov-2007 21:07:47]
    Reminder: Stop playing
    Paris begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    Kyoto begins: Catapult (2 turns)
    War Elephant promoted: Combat I
    War Elephant promoted: Shock
    While attacking in French territory at Lyons, War Elephant defeats (3.20/8): Portuguese Swordsman (Prob Victory: 96.4%)
    Chariot promoted: Combat I
    While attacking in French territory at Lyons, Chariot loses to: Portuguese Axeman (1.25/5) (Prob Victory: 96.2%)

    Battle Stats:
    Units victorious while attacking : 12
    Units victorious while defending : 15
    Units defeated while attacking : 8
    Units defeated while defending : 7

     
  20. Ozbenno

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    Looks like the precedent has been set by our legendary builder, 40 turns this set, until 1300AD.

    Don't stress if you play more (or even less), it'll all sort itself out in the end.
     

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