Discussion in 'Civ4 - Pre-made Maps' started by Jon Shafer, May 8, 2006.
Map of Europe with resources (mostly). 100x73 plots.
This is a very nice map Trip. It has a huge amount of space but not quite enough resources. Still, this will be a very fun map to play.
Where is Scandinavia??? And why are Afrika and Arabia included? Cant anyone just make a european map with out having to add these 2 regions. Maybe some people just want to play with europeans.
I bet it's possible. Maybe you ought to give it a go.
Yes please do! I mean, this (nice one trip!) and the other eurpean map that has been created are very well done. However they are more mediterainian sea and sourrouning area maps. A true europe map with the full scandinavia the islands further north would be most welcome!
Historically "Arabia" has had ties to Europe for a very long time. Not only that but numerous empires from the Greeks to the French expanded to occupy parts of the middle east and Africa. The middle east has been a source of spoils, ideas, and technology throughout european history and there is credit in including it.
Scandinavia should of course be included, but how are powerful events like the crusades going to be simulated if europe is some sort of island?
Just north of (modern) Denmark and east of the British isles. Perhaps you want to have a closer look at the map.
Yeah, unfortunately I ran out of time when adding resources. Perhaps someone can modify things to make it more playable. Unfortunately I don't have enough time to get the resources to the point I'd like them.
I left off northern Norway, Sweden and Finland because it saves quite a bit of space on the map (which speeds things up quite a bit). Although I'm certain to hear quite a few complaints from our resident Scandinavians, not a whole lot happened up there either.
I originally created this map for my World War I scenario, and thus North Africa and parts of the Middle East were necessary for me to include.
Plus most people prefer to have N. Africa and the Middle East in Europe maps, both for normal games and with scenarios (which is one of the primary reasons I made this, in addition for my own WWI scenario).
I'm gonna give it a shot once I get finished with the current GOTM.
Wow that's amazing!! Very high detailed and accurate in geography!
Indeed, while perhaps not ideal for some people who want just a European map, this map is perfect for those wanting to do a World War I or II scenario where North Africa and the Middle East are much more important than middle & northern Scandinavia (sorry Scandinavia).
Claiming that North Africa in WW2 is "much more important" makes be doubt your historical knowledge.
Since dec 39 and throughout ww2 parts of Scandinavia has been involved in the conflict.
Finland had 2 wars vs Russia and one vs Germany. And a possibility to open a second front on Leningrad could have changed history.
Norway was the scene of both axis and allied amphibious assaults and other activites like partisans and regular army actions.
Sweden was the biggest provider of iron oar to Germany and thus very an important factor.
Coast of Norway was of great strategic importance and the allied mining of the area was a big issue. Not to be forgotten Iceland that is an part of my interpretation of Scandinavia and was a very important strategic point up until the end of the cold war.
Norway had the research/prod centre for heavy water
The waters of the ice sea (dont know the proper name) was very important for the Lend Lease shippings.
From what I read the North Africa front was mostly of political importance and the German efforts was never of any real significant in perspective of the whole war. So clearly the claim that North Africa was more important than Scandinavia in ww2 is wrong and most likely a factor of US/UK film propaganda.
Hopefully someone could find the time and skills to ad more resources to this map and ad the final touch to it.
RIGHT. Propaganda strikes again!
The African front in WWII was extremely important for at least two major reasons.
1) The Suez Canal. That canal was extremely important to the British empire. Some of the heaviest fighting in Africa occurred in the attempt to maintain control of the canal.
2) As a jumping off point for the invasion of Italy. Once North Africa was secured the Allies were able to invade Italy. They invaded mainland Italy in September of 1943. Normandy did not occur until June, 1944.
The war in Italy and Africa was crucial because it allowed the USA and the UK to tell Stalin they had opened up a second front. And it diverted German resources from the Eastern front, where the brunt of casualties were occurring.
I'm not saying Scandanavia was unimportant. Clearly, it's location and resources make it important. But Scandanavia was not the site of as many battles, and was not of as much strategic importance in WWII, as North Africa. That's not propoganda, it's fact.
Awesome Europe map! Had a great time playing it. Won space race victory as England.
Comparing to the Axis (Germanys) efforts the North Africa campaign got very little attention compared to the oversized garrison troops in Scandinavia. North Africa saw action due to the fact that Scandinavia/Norway was way to well defended.
My point is that the axis priorities were much greater for Scandinavia and that is a factor that North Africa was the battlefield instead. There where no real chance for the axis to overrun Suez and the oilfields and If the axis priorities would had switched to the north Africa they would not had a reasonable chance (Lack or Navy, Air, supplies and Malta and battle worthy Italians) of overrunning the allies there. So it was mostly a political war from a axis point of view.
North Africa as a starting point of an assault on the “soft belly of Europe” could have been scraped for an assault from Scandinavia instead if the priorities of Germany haven’t been to heavily defend the coast of Norway with oversized garrisons. If russia would have overun Finland (thanks god they didnt) Sweden would be overrun afterwards, cutting out the iron oar supplies. a Allied + Commitern attack from scandianvia couled be a real danger for Germany
For Hitler the North Africa campaign was a minor one…
Taking the Suez canal would not be the decisive moment to turn the losing war the axis fought from the moment US entered ww2. The war was lost for the axis in 1942 anyway you twist it.
IF the axis (as unrealistic as it was) could siege the Iraq oilfields there still would lie great difficult to maintain the logistics to keep it running so far from Europe and with the lack of aircrafts a viable to defend it.
Not saying that North Africa campains wherent importent, just that scandinavia had its moment to
This looks great! And so do the other maps and scenarios you made. I am about to play them.
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