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Mario Mafia [MAFIA VICTORY]

Discussion in 'Mafia/NOTW' started by topsecret, Dec 15, 2019.

  1. Timsup2nothin

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    @Newyn remember when I said I was a notorious tunneler? Someone not responding to something like this is where many a tunnel starts.
     
  2. Montmorency

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    Well, it seemed typical - but come to think of it him seeming to rapidly acclimate to a posting rate twice that of Cold War - where had had complained about the activity level - may have been suggestive.
     
  3. Timsup2nothin

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    The final comment from the end of night one.

    Background, this would have been Mary's third game, just like Syns and just like me...except she really was two for two drawing wolf. Not that I want to be headed down a tunnel here...but a bunch of people familiar with those two games appreciated the cleverness of this joke post, and Syns spent day and night one in his usual fluffy making and responding to joke posts mode...but he just let this one pass.
     
  4. Newyn

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    If you're not patient enough to wait just because I don't immediately respond to you then you got some bigger problems than simple tunneling.

    If I was wolves with Syn, why would Syn complain in thread at all instead of just doing it in mafia chat?
    Syn not mentioning Mary means literally nothing. If half the thread knew that Mary wasn't going to be playing, Syn throwing suspicion on Mary would do nothing other than attract more attention to himself.
     
  5. Timsup2nothin

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    Hmmmmm. That's the reasoning I'd have used, but not quite the conclusion. Okay then. Moving on.
     
  6. Newyn

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    Maybe I don't know how Syn plays but you said it yourself that it was a joke post. If Syn was mafia with Mary, what reason does he have not to join in on the joke?
     
  7. Newyn

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    I'm assuming that Syn was one of those that knew Mary wasn't going to be playing right? How do you expect people who knew Syn would react to Syn saying Mary was sus for not posting if they knew Syn knew Mary wasn't going to post?
     
  8. Montmorency

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    Not quite. In Mary's first game, the total mafia victory, the scum basically avoided interacting or mentioning each other to a near-total extent. It can certainly be a tell.
     
  9. Csargo

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    I have no idea what would and would not affect me if targeted. It's not specified. I would assume targeting Argon would do nothing to me.

    I get a coin when targeted by someone. I would assume Newyn was protected N1, but I have no way of verifying that.

    Sorry I missed this day phase, been busy with other things, my apologies.
     
  10. Timsup2nothin

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    Hey @Zack

    I light of the new paradigm, in which Syns is definitely a wolf, there's a question that has been riding in my back seat for a while. What prompted you to pick Syns for your N1 action?

    I mean, he had operated below everyone's radar all of D1, so how did he even come to mind?
     
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  11. Timsup2nothin

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    *In
     
  12. Timsup2nothin

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    Whatever prompted you to target him, this was cruelly hilarious.

     
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    Arrrrghhhhh! I saw it! I said it! And somehow I STILL didn't see it!
     
  15. Montmorency

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    Tim, I'm going to post a bunch of stuff, but I just wanted to note that as soon as D2 began the first thing Syn did was vote Newyn 2.0 and talk about how there was no way to know what Mary's role was.

    And Zelda claimed, without ever correcting it, that Newyn was scum. He said this during N1, after Newyn had been lynched and flipped town. I think this may have been a Freudian slip where, assuming Zelda is scum, he and newly-replaced Mary/Newyn were catching up in the scum chat.

    Who? This works as a pun. But thanks.
     
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  16. Montmorency

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    Including some things (not comprehensive) I saw Syn doing or said about Syn, as I did a reread for Zelda. I am largely not including content from or to dead townies.

    DAY 1


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    Syn was first to post in the game. Some banter with Tim and Dolbster. He liked this post by Argon:

    Syn likes a lot of posts, but this one stands out for just being a vote. Usually he likes posts containing humor or banter.

    Now Zelda appears and votes Tim, declaring him scum for pocketing Manasi and being too random with his Mary vote. Zelda says he doesn't go for an individualist victory, being a socialist (= team player = crumbing scum?). Tim takes issue with the contents of Zelda's posts, such as the false implication that Tim voted Mary, while Snerk defends and townreads him. Tim and Snerk dispute begins.

    Snerk townreads: Pzelda, Syn, Jo, Monty, Tim, Dolbster, Visor, Manasi

    Johanna FOS Zelda for being understated and half-assed.

    Syn worries about no-shows, mentions Zack, Rask, Yako. He votes Tak, who responds with immediate OMGUS vote.

    Tak questions Zelda on why he wants Monty to have the coin, and why both Tim and Snerk should be town following their dispute. Switches to Mary, then rapidly back to Syn.

    Syn evades Dolbster's question about how he feels about players, and jokes around.

    Zelda responds to Snerk and Johanna. To snerk, says he agrees with the above townreads (Pzelda, Syn, Jo, Monty, Tim, Dolbster, Visor, Manasi) except Visor, and designates Snerk as top town. Zelda tries to respond to Jo's complaint that his posting is different here because he has more computer access but is also busier. Says I remind him of my town game in another game, but is unsure. Switches his coin vote to Snerk. Zack should get a pass today but his posts lack something. Tak is more likely town for his volume and solving. Lynching low-posters and absentees is ideal. Csargo is wolfy for joking around, which is waffling, which is what scum do. Csargo jokes about it.

    Zack responds harshly to Zelda: "This half-baked suspicion from you is lame. Reminiscent of the org game."

    Rask shades Zelda for his first post (see above).

    Johanna is suspicious of Zelda.

    Syn says Tak is spam. When Tim asks him what he thinks of the game, he mentions Zelda's "total miscall" about Tim, but doesn't comment any further or evaluate it. Rask replies to this saying that this looked bad for Zelda.

    Zack votes Zelda. Tim asks why. Zack says it was Zelda's half-assed shade and hedging, similar to the recent Org game where Zelda was scum.

    Rask will keep an eye on Zelda, Visor, Manasi.

    Yako arrives and appears to mistake Topsecret, the host, for a player, at which Syn lols.

    Zelda responds to Tim's perplexity at the whole affair with Zelda's mistake and Snerk's defense by saying "my read on Monty is weak and based on relatively nothing but a resemblance of meta. I'm not really attached to it." Tim asks if he finds Snerk's behavior weird, and Zelda's response is a little garbled: "I don't think he really backed me up on that part. But if he's, it's weird but not lynchworthy imo."

    Yako doesn't like Zelda's backtracking, but Zelda protests that he backtracks because he hasn't had time to read the thread yet. [Ed. Does this apply in D2 or 3?]

    Zack wants to lynch either Zelda or Newyn.

    Syn banters with Snerk and Tak.

    Snerk reciprocates Zelda's coin vote for him.

    Tim lets up on Zelda, but is still plinking Snerk.

    Syn says "I could be convinced" but it is not clear what he is replying to.

    At this point the tally looks like this:

    Spoiler :
    Lynch:
    Voting - 17

    Newyn (4) - pzelda, Dolbster, Manasi, Snerk
    Csargo (2) - Timsup2nothin, Yakostovian
    Manasi (2) - RRRaskolnikov, Montmorency
    Snerk (2) - Newyn, Csargo
    Takhisis (2) - Synsensa, Choxorn
    Dolbster* (1) - LordArgon
    Yakostovian (1) - Visorslash
    pzelda (1) - Zack
    LordArgon (1) - Takhisis
    Montmorency (1) - JohannaK

    *Invalid vote change. Vote still on previous selection. Please use the vote: Topsecret format.

    Not Voting - 1

    MaryKB

    Coin:
    Dolbster (5) - Timsup2nothin, Synsensa, Dolbster, LordArgon, Zack
    Visorslash (2) - Montmorency, Newyn
    Timsup2nothin (2) - RRRaskolnikov, Yakostovian
    Choxorn (1) - Choxorn
    Snerk (1) - pzelda
    Takhisis (1) - Takhisis
    Csargo* (1) - Csargo
    JohannaK (1) - JohannaK
    Pzelda (1) - Snerk


    Towards EOD, Tim asks why people suspect Manasi but won't provide a case. Syn suggests misogyny. Rask takes the opportunity to criticize Tim and justify his Manasi vote. Zack suggests Tim lynch Zelda, but Tim wants a full case.

    Syn starts posting tallies now during EOD. Dolbster doesn't like Tak's tone, but Syn offers that that's just how Tak is.

    Syn suggests a 3-way tie as the top candidates are Newyn, Manasi, and Snerk.

    Other than the above both Syn and Zelda were basically absent from EOD. He says "chaos is a ladder" and switches from Tak to Snerk to produce the 3-way tie. I liked this at the time.

    The final tally was:

    Spoiler :
    Tally

    Voting - 17

    Newyn (5) - pzelda, Dolbster, Manasi, Snerk, Zack
    Manasi (4) - RRRaskolnikov, Montmorency, Takhisis, Visorslash
    Snerk (4) - Newyn, Csargo, Timsup2nothin, Synsensa
    Takhisis (1) - Choxorn
    Dolbster* (1) - LordArgon
    Montmorency (1) - JohannaK
    Csargo (1) - Yakostovian

    *Invalid vote change. Vote still on previous selection. Please use the vote: Topsecret format.

    Not Voting - 1

    MaryKB

    Coin:

    Voting - 16

    Dolbster (6) - Timsup2nothin, Synsensa, Dolbster, LordArgon, Zack, Manasi
    Visorslash (2) - Montmorency, Newyn
    Timsup2nothin (2) - RRRaskolnikov, Yakostovian
    Choxorn (1) - Choxorn
    Snerk (1) - pzelda
    Takhisis (1) - Takhisis
    Csargo (1) - Csargo
    JohannaK (1) - JohannaK
    Pzelda (1) - Snerk

    Not Voting:
    Visorslash, MaryKB (2)



    NIGHT 1

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    Syn feels there isn't enough banter, eggs on conflict between Snerk and Tim. Syn finds Tim more confrontational this game, and isn't sure the pace is faster than the last game.

    Zelda returns with reads. Rask feels the opposite about Visor and null on Argon.

    [Ed. Not much substance but effort to appear substantial.]

    Rask feels a little like the way he did about Zelda as in the last game, where Zelda was scum.

    Syn posts some hedgy reads, wants to wait for more information from the night flip. Tak is always shifty, Tim is a little more aggressive, Visor is quiet, and Johanna is UTR (under the radar). [Ed. According to a common rule of thumb, one of the people in this list should be Syn's partner.]

    Syn shades Manasi for changing her avatar. Tak says his re[ly to this is the same as his reply to me (when I joked about being Italian), which I believe was "Where is the poison? Are you left-handed?" (i.e. WIFOM).

    Zelda agrees with Rask that Argon doesn't offer much to read, but believes he could be like Newyn who is scum. [Ed. Newyn had just flipped town D1, so why is Zelda saying Newyn is scum.]

    Zack wants Manasi, Zelda, and maybe Rask dead.

    Cryptic post by Zelda about Argon complaining about stuff.

    Syn's last post of the night was in response to Tim champing at the bit to reaction-test low-posters.
    Dolbster ranks Csargo, Zelda, and Tak at the bottom of his list.



    Altogether from the Syn D1 ISO I want to move Snerk up - for Syn tieing him - and Tak down - for the banter and the potential distancing vote. Tim, Zack, Logic, and Snerk should not be touched IMO.

    CRITICAL: IF ZELDA IS SCUM HE MAY HAVE SPEWED NEWYN 2.0 SCUM IN POST #891

    Zelda ISO will proceed later maybe. (And can I say, thank you Logic, for voting correctly. Even if Zelda flips scum Syn was the correct lynch today - because there's plenty of momentum against Zelda, but Syn could easily have slipped away if it were just a role name suspicion. As Pizza used to say, lynch order matters.)
     
  17. Timsup2nothin

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    So, I have a question for general consideration about this post:

    Argon had been quiet to the point of non-existent D1 and had nothing to say during N1. This came completely out of the blue early D2. In hindsight, with his subsequent bodyguard claim, this response can be seen as "revealing." If you get past just thinking it's sort of strange, anyway.

    Who thinks that a clever mafia group might have seen that and thought 'power role'?

    I ask because on D2 I went out burning the weeds...voting for people who weren't participating much intending to press them. I started with LordArgon and remember being somewhat surprised at how my vote seemed to produce an instant wagon. And it turns out a consistent figure on that wagon, though quick to point out that I had started it, was Syns.
     
  18. Timsup2nothin

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    Geeeez @Montmorency the FIRST thing in your analysis is dead wrong.

    "Syn likes a lot of posts, but this one stands out for just being a vote. Usually he likes posts containing humor or banter."

    Yes he does, and the LordArgon post voting Dolbster and voting the coin to Dolbster was hilarious. Dolbster had just said "Kill me with a coin in my hand and I die happy." LordArgon immediately said "well, okay then." That's exactly the kind of humor Syn always appreciates.

    That said, your analysis is mostly spot on and valuable, I just had to point that out because I have the same sort of sense of humor.
     
  19. Newyn

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    Except this game apparently half the thread knew Mary wasn't going to play at all so your point has 0 merit so it'd be nothing like Mary's first game.

    891 was posted before topsecret had even asked me if I was available to replace Mary, please try again.
     
  20. Timsup2nothin

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    "Syn posts some hedgy reads, wants to wait for more information from the night flip. Tak is always shifty, Tim is a little more aggressive, Visor is quiet, and Johanna is UTR (under the radar). [Ed. According to a common rule of thumb, one of the people in this list should be Syn's partner.]"

    This common rule of thumb is interesting, because for other reasons I am very suspicious of Tak.
     

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