Masada

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Masada: what would you have done?

  1. commit suicide

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  2. ask someone else to kill me

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  3. wait until morning and fight the Romans until I am killed

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  4. surrender to the Romans and be enslaved or tortured to death

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  5. try to defect to the Romans (good luck)

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  6. try to escape down the snake path to a dark, uncertain fate

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  1. unscratchedfoot

    unscratchedfoot War is a good thing.

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    Had you been in that fortress on the night before the Romans stormed it, what would you have done? To avoid cheap ways out, let's assume the zealots have already voted for mass suicide and the discussion is over. The remaining options are not so favorable.

    Adding info link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada

    There is a movie about it too which is good. Today the Israeli Defence Force uses a gondola to swear in all it's new recruits on the summit of Masada and sets flame to a big sign which says "Masada will not fall again."
     
  2. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    I'd have fought to the bitter end. Their bitter end preferably.

    And you shouldn't post random threads without background detail..I had to wiki Masada to find out what you are on about.
     
  3. Gr3yL3gion

    Gr3yL3gion Voice of Madness

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    What happened in Masada?
     
  4. unscratchedfoot

    unscratchedfoot War is a good thing.

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    Sorry I thought Masada was like the Battle of Hastings and Waterloo which everyone knows about. You learned something new which is good! Don't hate my threads. I'm trying to spice the forum up cause it is too overburdened with the tired old topics of Iraq and politics.
     
  5. Sidhe

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    That is true but a link then provided would have been nice Comrade Davo :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada

    I'd of been sold into slavery but then I'm not that faithful, and would not have been convinced by the idea of eternal life.

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    Spice away my amigo. I remember seeing a dramatisation of these events as a youngster, it was very poignant, with lots of artisitc licence about the Romans offering to spare them, and spiritual dialogue about martyrdom and eternal life. It was good pathos, even if it was very specualtive.
     
  6. Dong2Long

    Dong2Long Chieftain

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    Fight Romans until death. Never surrender. And bless mine enemy as I killed them. :strength: :religion:
     
  7. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    From a brief look on wiki, it's seems to be an historic event where the Romans slaughtered a bunch of rebellious Jews.
     
  8. unscratchedfoot

    unscratchedfoot War is a good thing.

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    The wikipedia article is very brief and not a fair description of the campaign. Better to do a google search and do some reading here and there.
     
  9. Gr3yL3gion

    Gr3yL3gion Voice of Madness

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    I'll choose either one of the last two options.
     
  10. Sidhe

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    Considering Flavius's writings appear to be the only source, there really isn't much out there other than his brief account.

    Here's the works of Flavius Jospehus, if you want to read the whole account of Masada. Chapters 8/9/10/ are on the siege of Massada itself.

    http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/war-7.htm
     
  11. unscratchedfoot

    unscratchedfoot War is a good thing.

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  12. tossi

    tossi Der kleine Prinz

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    Fight! Suicide is for weaklings!
     
  13. Dong2Long

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    If everyone does not know about Masada, then the education of those who do not must be... examined. It should be common knowledge, but then since it is not obscure, a person should be expected to google or wiki for it.

    However, it is kind of a courtsey to provide a link, if you start a thread... and maybe a short summary, since it might refresh those who forgot, or set those on track whom don's know . :) :)
     
  14. Elrohir

    Elrohir RELATIONAL VALORIZATION

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    In that situation, I would stay alive to fight the Romans. I'd probably die, but maybe I would get to kill one Roman soldier before I did.

    But if it were really me, I wouldn't be there in the first place. Holing up in Masada was dumb, if you're fighting a military force superior to you in discipline, numbers, and equipment, you don't gather together in one place - you disperse, and fight a guerilla war, harassing supply lines, killing isolated detachments, and generally making a nuisance of yourself. You only mass together when you have the enemy outnumbered, and are very likely to win - IE, they have 500 men coming in to reinforce, and you have 3,000 men to ambush them with.

    Very brave men, but they needed a leader with a head on his shoulders, not just fanatacism.
     
  15. Mise

    Mise isle of lucy

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    I've never heard of Masada in my life, but I'd either commit suicide with my friends or I'd have tried to escape.
     
  16. unscratchedfoot

    unscratchedfoot War is a good thing.

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    The zealots were doing a guerilla war. That's what invited the Roman attack. And Palestine was not a big nation with very little terrain favorable for raiders to hide in so trying to hide out anywhere but in Masada would have resulted in being killed earlier. If you look at the footage of Masada today, it really does seem impregnable and the zealots were not being unreasonable in thinking it was especially with almost unlimited food and water supplies on it. The ramp the Romans built with the complex process of getting a battering ram up the steep angle was engineering genius not easily predicted.
     
  17. CruddyLeper

    CruddyLeper Unworshipped Deity

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    I honestly don't know how I would respond in that situation. I fear my life experience is not sufficient to give me a definite answer.
     
  18. greekguy

    greekguy Missed the Boat

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    i'd like to say i'd fight the Romans to my death, but you never what you'd do until you're in the situation.
     
  19. Atlas14

    Atlas14 "Sophomoric Troll Master"

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    I'd do as the Germanic peoples would have done, fight to the death and kill as many overpriveleged Roman officers and legions as possible. Also, Im good at finding hiding spots, so I would hover around it to avoid becoming too outnumbered.
     
  20. Urederra

    Urederra Mostly harmless

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    Same could be said about the battle of Numantia. Except that I don't expect non spaniards with just basic knowledge in history to know the insights of that battle. what I am saying, I don't expect them to even know that the battle took place.

    Man, I don't even expect my british friends ton know about the war of Jenkin's Ear, many of them don't even know what I was talking about when I mention it. Even they don't know that British lost more ships in their attempt to siege Cartagena de Indias that the Spanish lost in the Invencible. Ah... but they know about the Invencible thing. ;)

    (And in every link I look for the War of Jenkin's ear in english sites, they dilute it with the war of the Austrian sucession. :lol:
     

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