Masculine Abortion?

[aneeshm]

She tricked him , so she gets nothing - absolutely nothing . End of story .

 

[ew0054]

What about the fellow (this was on a documentary I saw a while back) who, at birth, his twin brother got trapped and was living parasitically inside his body? Everyone thought he was just a big guy but then they did X-rays and found it. He then opted to have the doctors surgically remove it. They did and it dies thereafter. Now could that constitute as male abortion? He kind of aborted his brother.

 

[emzie]

What about the fellow (this was on a documentary I saw a while back) who, at birth, his twin brother got trapped and was living parasitically inside his body? Everyone thought he was just a big guy but then they did X-rays and found it. He then opted to have the doctors surgically remove it. They did and it dies thereafter. Now could that constitute as male abortion? He kind of aborted his brother.

...quoi?

 

[RameNoodle]

What about the fellow (this was on a documentary I saw a while back) who, at birth, his twin brother got trapped and was living parasitically inside his body? Everyone thought he was just a big guy but then they did X-rays and found it. He then opted to have the doctors surgically remove it. They did and it dies thereafter. Now could that constitute as male abortion? He kind of aborted his brother.

I think that's hardly the topic at hand. And yes, I agree, I'm fifteen years old. Now, I'm really learning that rights come with responsibilities, and vice versa. If a man has the responsibility to pay for a child, he should have a right to say what happens to that child.

 

[mdwh]

Dude should man up about it.

The question is, if that's your point of view, why the women shouldn't "woman" up about it also, if the man wants a baby?

Methos made a good point about adoption - what's the current law about fathers having a say in this, if they are unmarried? (I have a suspicion that a mother can give the baby up for adoption without his say, but I'd like to be proven wrong.)

 

[Methos]

Methos made a good point about adoption - what's the current law about fathers having a say in this, if they are unmarried? (I have a suspicion that a mother can give the baby up for adoption without his say, but I'd like to be proven wrong.)

Note, this is Missouri law:

Source

Consent Laws
Who Must Consent to an Adoption
Statute: § 453.030
• The mother
• Only the man who is presumed to be the father, if he has acted to establish paternity no later than 15 days after the birth of the child, or has filed with the putative father registry
• The child's current adoptive parents or other legally recognized parent


When Parental Consent is not Needed
Statute: § 453.040
• A parent:
o Whose rights have been terminated
o Whose identity is unknown
o Who has been found incompetent
o Who has abandoned or failed to support or care for the child

Citation: Missouri Revised Statutes, Chapter 453, Sections 453.005 to 453.503

As you can see according to Missouri law the father has up until 15 days after the child’s birth to act to establish paternity. If he has not acted to establish paternity within that time his identity is considered unknown, and therefore his consent is not needed due to statute 453.040.

If I’m reading that right, by Missouri law the father has to consent to adoption if he fulfills statute 453.030.

Edit: For those who are curios you can find the adoption laws for you state here. Just scroll down to the bottome of the page for a list of the states.

 

[bhsup]

There is no justification for this case. To any and all males out there, if you don't want to ever be in the position of possibly having a child, then don't have sex. Nothing else is a sure-fire method of not becoming a father.

It is irrelevant that she may have lied about being on the pill. Don't want a kid and be responsible for it? Don't stick it in.

 

[Methos]

There is no justification for this case. To any and all males out there, if you don't want to ever be in the position of possibly having a child, then don't have sex. Nothing else is a sure-fire method of not becoming a father.

It is irrelevant that she may have lied about being on the pill. Don't want a kid and be responsible for it? Don't stick it in.

I suggest you read the thread, as your post is not consistent with the topic.

 

[mdwh]

There is no justification for this case. To any and all males out there, if you don't want to ever be in the position of possibly having a child, then don't have sex. Nothing else is a sure-fire method of not becoming a father.

Do you say the same to women?

 

[bhsup]

@methos: I did. I am addressing the first post in the thread, giving my opinion on the matter. He doesn't want to be responsible for child support since he has no say in whether she gets an abortion or not. I say that is malarky. He stuck it in, she got pregnant, the kid is his, he has a responsibility for the kid.

@mdwh: Absolutely, but typically women get the short end of the stick here with fathers getting them pregnant then abandoning them like the losers that they are (the males abandoning are the losers, in case that wasn't clear). The woman is left to raise the child on her own, so it's not nearly the issue that it is with men trying to absolve themselves of responsibility for a child.

 

[Methos]

@methos: I did. I am addressing the first post in the thread, giving my opinion on the matter. He doesn't want to be responsible for child support since he has no say in whether she gets an abortion or not. I say that is malarky. He stuck it in, she got pregnant, the kid is his, he has a responsibility for the kid.

If you read you'll find that neither one of them ever mentioned abortion, so I am confused why you bring abortion up. I'm curious on your opinion on her supposed statement [made by him] that she informed him she could not physically become pregnant? I'm also curious on your opinion on what rights the male has with the child, whether getting pregnant was accidental, or whether getting pregnant was through possible fraud.

The OT is not dealing with your typical unsafe couple and now the male doesn't want to deal with it. If that was the case than I would agree with you entirely. But it deals with the mans right to choose and how he is held responsible when the female stated she couldn't physically become pregnant. If a woman lies about her ability to bear child should that be considered in his parental rights or obligations?

 

[bhsup]

But it deals with the mans right to choose and how he is held responsible when the female stated she couldn't physically become pregnant. If a woman lies about her ability to bear child should that be considered in his parental rights or obligations?

It is irrelevant that she may have lied about being on the pill. Don't want a kid and be responsible for it? Don't stick it in.

I bolded the only part that matters at all. It is utterly irrelevant what the woman may or may not have said or claimed. You don't want to be responsible for a kid? Don't have sex.

By the way, from the first post in the thread as far as abortion goes...

So, he decided that he would try to bring up a case that he didn't have to pay child support because he wasn't given the option of an abortion.

 

[Methos]

By the way, from the first post in the thread as far as abortion goes...

Unfortunately the OP didn't fully read his own source.

As to your bolding, I must say that though I agree with your reasoning, it doesn't fit with today's culture.

 

[bhsup]

Yeah, I know. I should have been born a couple of hundred years ago.

 

[Abaddon]

Men should have the choice just as a woman does. She has just as much responsbiblity to the child as well as the pregnancy.

 

[Mr Moron]

I'm a firm believer in equality. Even if a man can't carry the child the thing is still half him. If the woman has options to remove herself from the position and responsbilties of motherhood (abortion) the man should have every right to remove himself from the position and responsbiltie of fatherhood.

 

[Eukaryote]

Yesterday on Dr. Phil (eh, well, nevermind...) there was a man who got a woman pregnant and she decided to have the baby. However, he didn't want to pay child support. So, he decided that he would try to bring up a case that he didn't have to pay child support because he wasn't given the option of an abortion. This is the story. Click on the link under "Roe v. Wade for Men" for the story.

So, does the man have reason here?

It's abosultly barbaric that this man has to pay child support. The women lied to him and he was denied freedom of choice. This sort of thing should not happen in a democracy.

I'm a firm believer in equality. Even if a man can't carry the child the thing is still half him. If the woman has options to remove herself from the position and responsbilties of motherhood (abortion) the man should have every right to remove himself from the position and responsbiltie of fatherhood.

Ditto. And feminists complain about rights for them. What about our rights?

She tricked him , so she gets nothing - absolutely nothing . End of story .

I agree with that too.

Men should have the choice just as a woman does. She has just as much responsbiblity to the child as well as the pregnancy.

You go Abbadon, that makes absoulte sense.

It is irrelevant that she may have lied about being on the pill. Don't want a kid and be responsible for it? Don't stick it in.

When you lie to or manipulate people, it can cause consequences, are you saying people should not accept the consequences for their own words and actions? That some guy should accept the consequences of what she does? Who do you think he is, Jesus?

 

[Squonk]

Yesterday on Dr. Phil (eh, well, nevermind...) there was a man who got a woman pregnant and she decided to have the baby. However, he didn't want to pay child support. So, he decided that he would try to bring up a case that he didn't have to pay child support because he wasn't given the option of an abortion. This is the story. Click on the link under "Roe v. Wade for Men" for the story.

So, does the man have reason here?

Yes in the point that if the child is common, it is not fair that abortion rests in the hands of the women only. Still, the only just sollution is that neither of them should ever be allowed to kill the baby.

 

[El_Machinae]

It's not that the 'woman' gets something, it's that the kid gets something. We like to raise children with a minimum standard of living, and that's why we force child payments - not for the mum, but for the kid.

And the first people who should be tapped are the parents, because they're the most responsible. I do wonder, however, why we don't force parents who give up their children for adoption to cough up child support too.

As well, remember about the deterrence effect. Forcing child support payments might deter the unwanted pregnancies.

 

[Mr Moron]

It's not that the 'woman' gets something, it's that the kid gets something. We like to raise children with a minimum standard of living, and that's why we force child payments - not for the mum, but for the kid.

And the first people who should be tapped are the parents, because they're the most responsible. I do wonder, however, why we don't force parents who give up their children for adoption to cough up child support too.

As well, remember about the deterrence effect. Forcing child support payments might deter the unwanted pregnancies.

It's not about who gets what. It is about fairness and equality. As it stands people of one gender can get out of being a parent after they screw up and the other gender can't. I'm not saying it has to go as far as forcing abortions, but the male certainly needs a way out ahead of time.